I am on your side Bermudians

[Mike]

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Disgusted with this site
Sep 24, 05 - 2:05 AM I am on your side Bermudians

I am Canadian and I would react the same way as I hear some of you react
if I was confronted with a bunch of arrogant/overbearing Expats that seem
to be commenting on this site.

If a Bermudian is rude to me once I am there, I will suck it up, I am
sure they have their reasons and beliefs. Respect them and they will
respect you. Making comments like they are uneducated, rude, don't
realize how valuable expats are, makes me want to be rude to you. Would
you like me come to your home and knock it, your values, way of life and
beliefs. Racist *******s!!!!!

Meeting the local Bermudians doesn't scare me when I get there its
meeting you !@$#$hole expats that scare me, get your head out of your
asses will you.


perspective
Sep 24th, 2005 - 9:30 AM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

Thanks, and those with their heads on straight realize that there are
many like you. I actually let this site turn me off (for a quick minute)
then I got back to work, and all it took was a few minutes watching how
well we get along, and then driving home along South Shore, and seeing
everyone enjoying all Bermuda has to offer.
I know that the nasty people on this site don't speak for the majority -
and again we need expat workers, but not those of you that hate Bermuda
and us so bad that instead of discussing issues, you sink to such levels


Montreal Expat
Sep 26th, 2005 - 3:16 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

The only thing I hate is the name of this site (and various posters on
both "sides" of the issue at hand). Its interesting and quite good to
have a website devoted to letting expats share their concerns/views/rants
about aspects of living in Bermuda, and hear rebuttles I think as well
from locals who in some cases even agree with things said.

Some posters, both ex-pat and local, are hateful, small-minded people,
but its usually easy to spot and ignore those posters and move on to the
intelligent ones.

To your point on calling some of the posters on this site racist (some
certainly seem to be), I don't actually think a majority of the people
who move to Bermuda to work are racists at all (if they were, why would
they move to a black majority island?). They usually come from places
much more integrated racially than Bermuda in fact and are necessarily
highly educated (I have the opinion that bigotry is born by ignorance).


Can't Be That Bad
Sep 26th, 2005 - 4:27 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

And this man actually has the nerve to be selling I LOVE BERMUDASUCKS.COM
products at the Shop Online section of this site.
I sure hope none of these particular ex-pats build up enough nerve to
walk through Hamilton or anywhere else around this island (except for
their apartments) with this stuff on.
You wanna talk about being mugged and robbed.... for highly educated
workers this webmaster is sure leading these particular ex-pats down the
wrong path.
I wonder if he has enough nerve, oh I'm sorry, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, to wear
one of his I LOVE BERMUDASUCKS.COM t-shirts in Hamilton, with Bermudians
around, that see him with it on!
I'm afraid that he and the rest of his die hard supporter will suddenly
lose their freedom of speech voices.


Bye and thanks for all the cheese
Sep 26th, 2005 - 4:46 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

What a ridiculous statement from a Canadian.
Canadians on a whole ?suffer? their ex-pats and call them landed
immigrants, most of all the menial labour in Canada is done by ex-pats, a
little different from Bermuda don?t you think.
I have seen the looks and heard the names you call your ex-pats and quite
frankly you are worse than any Brit to a Bermudian.
Canadian ex-pats do little to take the highest paying jobs in Canada so
you let them drive your taxis and clean your buildings whilst promoting
what a wonderful and multi-cultural society you are.
I would love to see and ex-pat in Bermuda get a job driving cab, now that
would be hilarious.
Wake up and smell the roses Canuk, "local" Bermudians will resent you
even if you extend them your demeaning respect, Bermudians are just
waiting for you to leave. Earn your cash and get out when your contract
ends, go back to Canada and enjoy the wide open spaces and the laid back
Canadians, you will miss them.


My Response
Sep 26th, 2005 - 6:18 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

For your info there buddy. Not all Expats come to Bermuda getting a top
job in a company. They are here doing the same type jobs. You are
forgetting all the others that are coming here for the same reason they
are going to Canada for a better life.. You know that Pakistani that is
cooking your food in your favorite italian restuarant he is not here
cause he is having a good old time in Pakistan.. You know that Portugese
lady that cleans your office? She isn't here because she is doing that
job for a laugh.. You know that Philippino that is watching your kids and
cleaning your house? She is not doing it because she is the only one
qualified for that position.. Bermuda is no diiferent you seem to think
that all. The expats that are here are working in an office building. So
don't think we are mad at you cause you are doing all the top jobs and
leaving us with nothing because expats come here to do the sh*t jobs too..


perspective
Sep 26th, 2005 - 10:37 PM Re:No Expat will answer this. I've asked before

How are expats treated in your home country?


mythoughts
Sep 27th, 2005 - 1:43 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

This is an interesting question and I will answer the way I see it. I am
also a Canadian and I have always felt that ex-pats were welcome in
Canada, especially in my city. I feel that when people relocate to
Canada, they expose us to their customs and cultures and that can only
make Canada stronger as a nation.

In terms of employment, I was raised to believe that the most qualified
person would receive the job. Back home, I competed against other
Canadians for positions and other ex-pats and I encourage that! Obviously
here in Bermuda, Bermudians get the first crack at any job and that is
fair considering the size of the island. However, it drives me crazy when
some complain that ex-pats are taking their jobs. That is just not the
case.

When it comes right down to it, it is not how a country reacts to
ex-pats; it is how the individual people react. As you have seen on this
site, some Bermudians are open and welcoming and others...well, others
are full of hatred and resentment. Unfortunately, you will find both
types of people around the world.

With regards to this site, I think that people should look at it with its
original intent. It is supposed to be a humorous look at Bermuda! The
question is often asked, how would you feel if this were directed at your
country? What if there was a canadasucks.com? Truthfully, I can laugh at
my country as well as I can praise it. I think that there are many
wonderful things about Canada and many horrible things. So if that will
make you feel better, do it. I think that it was great that VMS created a
Bermudarocks.com site to balance this one out. Doesn?t he get any
credit for trying?

And to the original poster of this thread....well, once you get here
perhaps you will understand a bit more about what the island is like for
ex-pats. I came here really thrilled to learn about the culture and meet
and befriend Bermudians. Sadly, the majority that I encounter in my daily
life want nothing to do with me because I am a foreigner. I think
?Disgusted with this site?, that you are naive to have posted your
message, but well, it got me talking and that was the original intent.




V. M. Smith
Sep 27th, 2005 - 4:47 PM Professional trainee program for Bermudians,
offered by Canada

I'd heard about this, but wondered if it were true... with a bit of
Googling, I found it is indeed a policy of the Canadian Government to
provide a two year work permit to a Bermudian who graduates from an
appropriate Canadian post secondary institution.

Have a peek at Section 5.27 Agreements, (page 25) of the FW1 Foreign
Workers Manual, published by Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

Sure, there are a few stipulations, but you don't even have to get a
full-size chest x-ray!

And, hey, "Disgusted with this site", I guess you got cranky about not
being able to post on http://www.calgarysucks.com/, so you thought you'd
bring your foul mouth to my site. I suppose if I lived in "Cow Town", I'd
be cranky too.

Hmmmm... perhaps I could help them get a forum running too - then we
could see who as a sense of humour.


VMS - webmaster
Email: info@bermudasucks.com



mythoughts
Sep 27th, 2005 - 5:00 PM re:calgarysucks.com

Thanks for mentioning Calgarysucks.com. I'm sure anyone who has been to
Cow Town (yes we call it that) can laugh at the content!



Local
Sep 28th, 2005 - 4:40 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

I'm a Bermudian and very proad of our Island, we like everyone out there
have faults so why do they wanna make up cruel and false statements about
out Land.
Email: misarebel_83@hotmail.com



Disgusted with this site
Sep 28th, 2005 - 10:48 PM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

All very interesting comments. Calgarysucks.com might not be a bad idea.
Its all about the way things are said and interpreted. Personal insults
and stereotyping does no good. I have travelled to many many different
countries all with different cultures, beliefs and personalities. To come
back from my travels and start a forum which will allow such hatred and
racist remarks is wrong. At least monitor the way in which people speak.
I may find when I get there some are rude but what about the nice
Bermudians....there has got to be some right? Where is that site.....I
love Bermudians.com???

Stuck in the Mud I may seem but really I do have a humour it just isn't
knocking people's way of life.....but our own that is.....Canada is not
perfect, far from it, and I could say alot of negative things about this
country but I can also say alot of good things about it. What it all
comes down to is we are all different......

I really hope what alot of what you say is an exageration......time will
time but regardless, I won't come back to this site tellling you what I
hated......I will tell you want I loved.....the beach, the sunsets and
peacefullness, building a bit of a savings, spending the savings on
groceries and beer, meeting new people, and just staring at the ocean.

The end........if anyone's still reading


smiley
Sep 29th, 2005 - 5:36 AM Re: I am on your side Bermudians

Disgusted,

Try www.bermudarocks.com or one of the
pink-sand-turquoise-water-perfect-vacation sites.

As a Canadian, you probably enjoy freedom of speech. Problem with trying
to limit such freedoms, it may be your views that are unpopular next.

Plenty of the stuff on here is true - good and bad - if not very
palatable. Truth often isn't. By saying its true, that doesn't mean I
don't hate bermuda, far from it. In fact, seeing the faults with humour
makes me enjoy the cool stuff more.

I hope you'll enjoy plenty of the good stuff to balance out the difficult
or downright sucking. I hope you'll post about them. And post about stuff
that sucks with humour, once you've walked a mile in those expat shoes.