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I've been reading ProgressiveMinds over the past few days and I've become so disenchanted with just how manipulative and deceitful senior members of the PLP have treated the more youthful PLP supporters. It's been not just sickening but truly disgusting that they have shown their true colours in such a manner. And then today I read this...

"Mon, 06/22/2009 - 08:38 — D Morris

Reflections...

Progressive Minds is not the youth wing of the PLP? Wow. Don't know why they gave us a key to the building, asked up to help out at events, gave us a vote in the delegates conference even allowed us to organise events in the party's name. Though truth be told they did stop supporting us towards the end despite what we wanted to bring to the party.

I suppose David's right. Maybe we arent true PLP members. By your definition anyway. We are free thinkers who were willing to work, give of our time to support the party. We gave of ourselves and made sacrifices for the sake of the party but we are not the youth wing? Ok. I remember the first time I was given the spiel by Dawn about the PLP being a family. But family doesnt kick out family members over a difference of opinion. Family doesnt turn their back on family members when in their eyes they do wrong. Even Brown went to LA when his son was first arrested. I wish the party had tried to talk to us, really talk to us instead of tell us what to do like we were children. But I guess by the definition that you want to put on us, even though its not in the constitution and the way you treated us we were children to you. The sad thing is despite being aware of all of this the entire time we PMers put principle before personality, party before people and worked for the PLP.

I am deeply saddened by the actions of the party though even more so I am embarassed by them. I haven't been this embarassed to be a PLP member since the 2007 election. It is what it is though. I do not regret my actions or any of words I have said on this site or FB in regards to Brown's leadership and the events that have transpired since the arrival of the Uighurs. My only regret is that I put so much faith in people who did not deserve it. I am walking away from this site because on the basis principles I cannot support it. Some may say its sour grapes but in all honesty I don't see the point of posting here if the conversation is to be stunted and operate opposite to the name of the site (that truth be told really should be taken down because there is limitation on what may be posted; censorship and progression really are mutually exclusive). As Jon said we will be shortly starting a new blog where the conversation and debate can truly be progressive.

A friend had the following quote as her FB status:

"God allows us to experience the low points of life in order to teach us lessons we could not learn in any other way. The way we learn those lessons is not to deny the feelings but to find the meanings underlying them."-Stanley Lindquist

I have learned a lot from this experience, from the PLP in general. I walk away head high and proud of what I attempted to do and will take the lesson and apply them in my future endeavors. So that's it, this is my goodbye to www.progressiveminds.bm I do hope to see all bloggers on the new site when its up and running, I am looking forward to the debate. Until then... PEACE!!!"


Ms Morris, you are the real deal. A young Bermudian who gets it. I applaud your desire to do the right thing and accept that everyone has the right to create their own opinions based upon an open dialogue with ALL Bermudians. Just like the organizers and participants who show up on the Hill come rain or shine.... You too make me proud. Thank you for taking the high road.

now u know how i felt when wayne (leader), gwyn (chairman), jahmal (mp), max (mp) and julian (mp) left the ubp - truly proud.  :)

As I said. A Young Bermudian who gets it.

Your mother killed off LimeyinBermuda.....

You're doing your damndest to kill off BermudaSucks......

Rocksolid and David Burt are now trying to shut down ProgressiveMinds.....

Ms Morris is the winner. You lose. Beaten by a girl no less.... :slap:

um, okay  :wacko:

ps - what's up w/ ur underhanded sexist remarks, curves, beaten by a girl etc. - easy now

Yeah, right.  Good luck with that.

We have cockroach-like resilence!  :slap:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Cockroach_closeup.jpg/300px-Cockroach_closeup.jpg)

... and as you point out, there are Bermudians out there who get it.

why would we shut down mike - he's on the payroll

I wish!    ;D

No, actually, I decided long ago that I don't accept direct or indirect payment from any political parties in Bermuda.  You will never see a PLP or a UBP banner here.

I make a pittance from the advertising, but I don't care; I have a real job.  That lets me enjoy my neutrality and is part of what make BermudaSucks.com credible - in spite of the rampant disinformation spread by every faction.  (Nice try there tigga, at least that one was original.  Karma for your efforts.)

The fact is, this is the only neutral blog where anybody can have their say. 

You aren't on a website called Bermuda Sucks because you love the name.  Smart people can see that. 

Why do you think we still have such strong readership, in spite of the relatively low number of posts these days?

mike - we have spoken a few times and i feel that ur honest - my issue is that for whatever reason this site attracts mostly anti plp white men who pretty much spout the same thing through not fault of ur own

it's even creepier that they do it from under cyber hoods so that they're are not responsible for what they say - all it does is make many of their blk neighbors distrust all of them.

at least when thaao, guilden and soul rebel posted on here there was some semblence of debate - now it's just smoking gun working out his racial frustrations while sandgrownan and c canuck play the chorus

in retrospect, the ugliness that i read on this site makes me regret even finding out about it - to be honest i really didn't need to know that white dudes in bda were so whiny  :)

"Published: June 23. 2009 09:00AM RG

Former Senator critical of Premier

By Tim Smith
 
Former Progressive Labour Party Senator Davida Morris yesterday said young people want a new political party — because they're sick of the PLP playing the racecard and censoring free speech.

Ms Morris, 28, says many people her age are extremely mistrustful of a Government she says has "saddened and embarrassed" her through recent events.

"Most people I speak to are wishing for a new party," Ms Morris told The Royal Gazette.

"They want nothing to do with the petty back and forth bickering that goes on and more importantly they are extremely troubled and mistrustful of a PLP Government that uses censorship and race as its defence when there is no real need for it.

"This is not the opinion of every person I speak to but it is the overwhelming majority's sentiment."

PLP chairman David Burt last night argued the idea of censorship was "ridiculous".

Ms Morris, a former chair of PLP youth wing Progressive Minds, spoke out after party members seemingly put distorted information on the young group's website in a debate over Premier Ewart Brown's handling of the Guantánamo Bay affair.

A poll asking whether the Premier should be censured was also taken down from the website when it emerged most people were voting against Dr. Brown.

The Premier has also come under fire after he responded to demonstrations about his leadership by claiming protesters were merely angry at their loss of white privilege. Ms Morris said such tactics — as well as perceived dishonesty by those in power — had left young party members disillusioned.

She believes the PLP youth wing is now defunct and in recent days herself and other young supporters have walked away from the group's website.

"There is a lot of things the PLP can do to improve its relationship with young people although they are looking at a definite uphill battle," she said.

"The youth vote is extremely important to the party in retaining power but their treatment of young people has been wanting on a political and Government level.

"Young people do have long memories. They will remember you telling them one thing and how you acted opposite to what was said. Young people in general are wary of politicians, they expect them to lie but hope that they will be honest.

"When you confirm their worst fears while they may vote for you at present they will always be looking for something else, something better, more in line with their beliefs and expectations."If the PLP is truly interested in courting young people then my suggestion would be that they take a hard look at themselves and their relationship with the members of Progressive Minds."If they cannot see where they erred with us then it will truly be difficult for them to ever gain the trust of young people."

MsMorris who Dr. Brown appointed as one of the Island's youngest ever Senators in 2006 resigned from the youth wing when she went to London to study last summer.She is still in London and has been following recent events online.She has posted criticism of the Premier's actions on the Progressive Minds website and on Facebook, writing yesterday on the website:"I am deeply saddened by the actions of the party though even more so I am embarrassed by them."I haven't been this embarrassed to be a PLPmember since the 2007 election. It is what it is though. I do not regret my actions or any words I have said on this site or FB in regards to Brown's leadership and the events that have transpired since the arrival of the Uighurs."My only regret is that I put so much faith in people who did not deserve it."

Fellow young supporter Jonathan Starling complained the website misled readers by deleting information about the Constitution before last Friday's motion of no confidence in Dr.Brown's Government, to make it seem more likely the motion could result in an election.Mr. Starling also said the site was hijacked by people outside Progressive Minds in the run-up to the 2007 election, to serve as a tool for the PLP's election campaign.He said two US citizens who were part of a Democratic Party affiliated electoral strategy group were given an account so they could post under the name 'Rocksolid'."These mercenaries, with a warped understanding of Bermudian political reality, along with others in the party hierarchy, undermined the authority of this site as Progressive Minds. I understand the account 'Rocksolid' is now used by others," wrote Mr.Starling.

Mr. Burt last night argued there was no censorship on the website, saying articles had to be approved, but that people can say whatever they want in the comment section."Since the middle of 2008, those comments have not been moderated and saying whatever it is they want. Not a single comment deleted or anything else. The idea of censorship is quite ridiculous," he said."I don't know how people can claim censorship when they are on a website bashing the party."Mr. Burt wrote to Mr. Starling during the row on the website:"Your idea of free discussion seems to be calling for the leader's head on a PLP website. Guess what, it's not going to happen."Cut and paste and cry wolf all you like. If you are done with the site, be done with it, it you are done with the party, be done with it. If you don't like something, work to change it."I've spoken with you on many occasions and I appreciate your support of the party. But please do not think that your voice is the lone determination for how this party should operate. None of us agree 100 percent on everything."

Ms Morris and Mr. Starling are creating a new blog called 'Bermuda Jewel', which stands for BermudianJoint Endeavour for Welfare, Education and Liberation."It will be up and running next week and will allow for free and open debate on all topics concerning Bermuda and Bermudians."

Someone mention something about marching in a new direction...... ::)

Yet again...wrong.

I don't have racial frustrations. I have said it before and i'll say it again...I'm race neutral.  I'm not saying that because i feel i'm above racial issues...it's because i KNOW i'm above racial issues.  I have no race, i'm all in one, and i mean that literally and figuratively.  So i sit back and watch.  Call it fence sitting, call it what you will.  I don't care what you or others think.  I'm well respected and loved with those that count to me.  I'm not looking for acceptance or accolades.

What i do have a problem with is how you come across like, "i know what you guys on this site are about and you don't get it and i'm going to be rude, offensive, and disrepectful and feel justified cuz you aren't anything but kkkrakaz and buscuits and you have nothing worth listening to or answering".  And then you cop out by TRYING to pull and bait and switch by saying that it is us that stifle the discussion and debate.   A lot of the "ugliness" you are talking about comes from your own posts, you can't justify it by saying others do it, that's not an excuse for any wrong doing.  You do the exact thing you complain about...how you can't see that is beyond comprehension...so the alternative is that you KNOW exactly what you are doing, right?

I've tried to reach out to you before.  To honestly try to understand your point and where you are coming from.  I'm met with foolishness from you, and then you lump me in some anti-plp group...lol.

Dude YOU don't get it.  I don't care who wins the elections, and i don't care what happened in the past.  I WAS an expat working in Bermuda, my "vote", my opinion isn't/wasn't wanted.  And that was/is made explicitly clear.  So UBP/PLP/ABC/123 it makes no difference.  The only thing that i know, is that bad governance/unethical/corruption/etc. are words synonymous with the present regime.  That's what i talk about and will continue to do so, whether you or YOUR ilk like it or not.  And this would be the exact same, for me, if another government was in power and doing the same thing.

I wasn't there in the 60's/70's/80's/90's.  I was there from 2004 to 2008. Done.  I have no reference from the past, i've heard about it extensively, but that's about it.  And that's about as far as it goes as far as i'm concerned (which amounts to squat seeing as i am a "forner").  I am concerned because, unlike the stereotype, i had more local friends then expat.  I was on the local football teams, i went to the local functions, i embraced my Bermudian friends and they genuinely embraced back because people with positive intent gravitate to one another for mutual love and respect.  And i want only the best for them cuz they deserve it.  However this notion also goes for those with negative intent that find one another for mutual hatred and disrespect.  Which is why you are met with it from the get go cuz that's all you have to offer.  But i don't hate you dude, never did, i just have a problem with how you handle things.  But i don't blame you, you are just a product and that is obvious.

Going forward.  If you want discussion, if you want debate, then leave the names and rhetoric out of it.  And this is not just directed at you.  I've read what has been sent at you, some are border line and some i would say break the rules.  So really we are all at fault for clouding the issues with our own petty grievances with one another.  So if this is the starting point to real discussion then cool...if it's another contrived plan to stir things up....well...that is what we have come to expect from you, so only time will tell.

Here's to hoping and staying positive.

CC

"The only thing that i know, is that bad governance/unethical/corruption/etc. are words synonymous with the present regime."

CC - you must always strive to remember, tigga is just a foot soldier in that regime. A throw away name just like Steve or the multitude of others to create diversion, not necessarily even division. Trust me this is all about capital gains not credibility. The person behind it is but just a small part of the make up of Bermuda. An extreme version. Yes we have out extremists as well. The vast majority of Bermudians do not see eye to eye with him, and certainly not with his multiplex personalities.

If the real person were as altruistic as he claims to be then he'd never post here at all. Kind of hard to justify putting out the flame of racism when you're stoking the fire.

And one other thing. Seeing as you spent time in Bermuda and got out and about. Would you in your wildest imagination ever consider tigga represents your average Bermudian? Black, white or anything in between? Didn't think so....

One of the acid tests is whether Tigga would still call us 'haters' and 'racists' if we all simply agreed with the actions of this Premier and Government, rather than oppose them for what they are and in the way that we do.

I have a feeling that nothing would change.

why did most of the few blks that posted on here leave - think about it.

Because they had to go attend some kind of Bermudian rally up the hill? ???

Don't do a "politician" on me Tigga. Answer the question. We would still be racists wouldn't we?

The politics things is a vehicle - it becomes yet another thing on which you can launch your attack?

The reality is - we are white - and you don't like white people. You have white Canadian friends so you tell us - but they are an exception. You cannot forget your history (which I understand) - but you also want to punsih this (and the next generation - and the next - and the next) for the foolishness of the whites of yesterday.

It suits you to do that - I do understand. All I am asking in a round about way is for to be honest.

I'm not white...yet he lumps me in the same boat as others who may or may not be white.

I ask for him to take the opportunity to engage in discussion and in return i get:

"Why did most of the few blks that posted on here leave - think about it."

It's back to race...again.  Unfortunately i don't see him being capable of anything else.  He has been programmed from the start of his life to be distrustful, hateful, and vile towards those that don't agree with him and his programming.  He has been molded to think that all white people have a racist agenda that he has to be mindful of lest they pull the wool over his eyes.  That to keep constant vigilants to the antics of the devious white people.  And it has blinded him so much that all that disagree with him are the white man in disguise...from "aunt/uncle toms to confused negros", even those that are his brothers and sisters feel the wrath if they are not in agreeance.  Again, it comes down to him being a product....a product of hate.  Whatever was done to him and his family over the years has created a persona that is devoid of any semblance of respect for differing opinion, even when confronted with the truth and the multitude of facts that are given.  It's fall back on "it was done in the past by others, the ubp did it back in the days, 10/20/30/40/50 years ago it was like this" not what it's like now...

I said in my previous post, that saying others did it is "...not an excuse for wrong doing."

"Why did most of the few blks that posted on here leave - think about it."

Okay i'll bite.  Where are they then?  And do you truly believe it's because of some racist agenda here that they supposedly left? really?  I know what your answer is and the sad part is you really believe it.  We don't have a poll to state who is and who isn't black/white/etc. so you don't actually know what you're talking about when you make this statement.  But from what i've seen even if you are black, if you aren't PLP then you're just as bad as the white man - think about it.

CC

CC...

He may well have been conditioned to think as he does. But it would be wrong to leave it at that. There comes a point where he has to be responsible for his own thoughts and actions.

He has, therefore, made a conscious decision to settle for the view on life that he has.

c'mom fellas - either i'm racist or not - to be racist u dislike a race in spite of geography - how can i truly dislike whites yet have white friends from all over the world - i even have a very good white friend in south africa

the absurd thing is i don't know any of you - i know what u write here - and its racist and disgusting veiled in political discourse - that's what disgusts me

a woman in canada told me of a white friend who moved back to bda and became increasingly racists for every year that she was back - i just  think for some people deep down and in spite of themselves they can't deal w/ the reality of being white in bda

Well... actually, yes.

Not average perhaps, but I certainly experienced the same type of thinking from many Bermudians.

I heard some of the most shocking comments from white Bermudians, (I guess my pale skin made them feel I'd be a sympathizer), but I certainly heard a lot of shockers from black Bermudians.  The distrust and near-surface hostility over nothing but skin colour was clearly visible.

Before anyone jumps down my throat for my sweeping generality here, I'll add the qualifier that I know personally other Bermudians who do not speak, or from what I observe, think this way.  But I would go so far as to say they are the minority in a place where racial bias is the norm.

tigga,

The fact of the matter is that any white Bdian who dares to criticise this current administration, no matter on a blog, street, newscast, dinner table etc, will not be given the chance to have an intelligent debate about the issue being discussed.  You and yours will automatically revert to the usual rebuttal that if you are white and argue agains the PLP in any shape ofr form it is simply down to race.  That is your only argument.

Not once have you commented, under your numerous aliases on numerous sites, how you feel about Dr. Brown blatantly disregarding BDA's constitution which was established to protect our democratic valus and people as a whole.  No instead you and your mother rant and rave about the skin color of the majority of demonstrators or bloggers. 

I find it pretty scary that Dr. Brown would make such decisions without consulting his own Cabinet (who are all black by the way).  There is no such thing as a one man democracy and no one man is bigger then the people which he serves.  Dr. Brown has shown this time and time again.  And instead of rebutting these concerns you call people names and your mother tries to relate a democratic demonstration into a "lynch mob."  That is the type of shit that is furthering teh divide amongst BDA's peoples.  It is almost (and I believe you do) want to implement a segregated BDA again.

I will never forget a post you did over at CaF where you stated, "I will just sit back (in Toronto) and wait for the race war to start."  That is a sick comment coming from a sick person.  That is a disgusting comment.

Basically there is no chance of debate with you.  Well intelligent ones at least.  Because the moment someone expresses a concern of a this Government's actions you automatically label them as racists, uncle toms, kkkrakkas, biscuits etc etc.  This Government didn't create the divide but with actions and rhetoric such as yours, Dr. Brown's, Mr. Commissiong and Senator Dill are perpetuating it wider and wider.  They are supposed to be leaders (excluding yourself) of our community and set examples for the population to follow.  SO what do you expect the end result to be when these individuals spew hateful and race baiting language to the public on a weekly basis.

The end of the story is that any white Bdian that chooses to argue against ANY action of this Government will be considered nothing but a racist by individuals such as yourself and your mother and teh ability (which I know you retain) to discuss in an intelligent manmner no longer becomes an option.

Tigga...

That's about as banal as it gets..."I have white friends all over the world". The number of times black people shoot down the white guy when he says...."One of my best friends is black". Sheesh - give me strength!

Had it occurred to you, that there might just be differences between life in tiny old Bermuda with a Government playing the race card on an almost daily basis - to the point that young Bermudians are pissed off with it - as distinct from the vastness of Canada and a Government that is more balanced and mature in its outlook and dealings with people?

but aren't u doing the same thing - every attack on this site is directed at the plp - and aside from sparxx and mike no one calls anyone on their bias


that's such an old trick - taking a statement out of context - here's the genesis of bda's race problem,
from Dr. Keneth Robinson's book HERITAGE: "...in 1842 a scheme was hatched by whites in Bermuda to import labour from the UK for the purpose of bringing about racial parity and countering Black worker's demands for better wages. Against protest by Black Bermudians, The Bermuda government  passed legislation to provide subsistence money for these migrant white workers (from the UK and Portugal - rather than pay Black Bermudians fair wages)


if only that were the case - this attitude was in effect even b4 the plp was in power - it has nothing to do w/. dr. brown - as i said - they said the same thing about blk leaders in 1909 as they have in 2009

ie. here's a quote from the white bda govt. in 1941 about blk bdan political activist, Walton George Brown: "Mr. Brown appears to occupy himself with...dubious business transactions and attempts to stir up racial distrust."

hmmm does that "accusation" sound familiar

Tigga...

One of the other things that happened in 1842 - August 10th to be precise, was:

"The Mines Act 1842 becomes law, prohibiting underground work for all women and boys under 10 years old in England".

I have an awful feeling that your reference to 1842 is only on Page 2 of your "How to Slap a Whitey" book - and that the book is 356 pages long.

Time to call it a day. Keep of the chems and smile  :P

this sentence is incorrect - did u mean Keep of off the chems and smile

oh i get it - like i abuse drugs which alter my thinking - funny  :)

I thought chems were supposed to make people smile?

Congrats Tigga - you found my deliberate error.

(Remind me sometime to correct your English  ;) )

Sigh, for once tigga may have a point. I didn't used to feel this way, but it seems more and more that members like smokinggun have become focused less on the issue and more on hating on the PLP or just plain arguing with tigga. I do admit that there is pretty much nothing the PLP do that i agree with, and most disgusts me. But i also like to have my views on the failures of the UBP heard as well. I'm all for a new party free from the taint of racial affiliation, a party that reflects the unclouded will of the people. Bermuda Jewel will receive my patronage.
Ironic that my avatar is a white person fighting a "tigga" and yet i'm more than that.

You night have a point Calvin, but...

Maybe it is difficult 'not' to hate the PLP with its racial tendencies and rhetoric ?

Whilst continuing talk of 'returning to the plantation' may well keep the issue fresh and alive in the minds of some PLP voters, it also helps take the pressure of the Government to perform and to do the right thing by the electorate and for the country.

If you are constantly reminded that a vote for the UBP is a vote back to the plantation, how important are a few mistakes/errors of judgment and general balls-ups in comparison?

It's a double edged sword. Whites will defend to no end their stance and attack the PLP for promoting a hate agenda, and the PLP will use said hate agenda to further promote and advance the "conditioning of the people". If whites continue to beat their "I'm not a racist" drum, blacks will continue to have a hard time believing it simply because whites are doing nothing to prove it.

You can kick and scream, get pissed off and accuse tigga and every other pro-plp supporter of inciting, but in fact by doing so you are promoting such a negative reaction. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It makes little sense arguing for arguing sake. We can only accept that there is a difference of opinion that is unlikely to change until whites decide that it's important enough to them.

Remember... blacks don't have to assimilate any longer. They're the ones who have all the power marbles. It's their game and they can go home any time they want.

In the words of someone famous...

"Actions speak louder than words."

Whites get angry, but at the end of the day that anger is seen by blacks as hatred and in reality... it is. There will come a time when we have to move past the rhetoric and actually engage blacks, face to face on their own grounds. That is the ONLY way forward.

"that's such an old trick - taking a statement out of context"

As spoken by the Master Baiter himself. :)

Calvin - every once in a while I have re-explain my position. No problem.

I do not hate the PLP. Never have and never will. Don't hate the UBP but then again there's nothing left to hate or even discuss. What I do hate is that the PLP has been completely hijacked by one individual. The one person who a long time ago I lost complete and utter respect for. Not based solely on the fact that he's turned the PLP (and Bermuda) into a one man show but based upon what I have seen him do in person. This site has wilted away somewhat for a variety of reasons.... some will accuse me of being one of them but in their heart of hearts they know the truth. I'm strictly about seeking good governance and doing so with my heart on my sleeve and a twinkle in my eye. In all serious I do not take myself too seriously. I feel one should push, prod and cajole politicians and opinion makers but do so with a sense of having a bit of fun without being insulting.

Except of course when it comes to tigga. He's a fair game if ever there was a cuddly tiger needing to get his shots. :)

Sparrx - I'm sorry. When people get to their 40's and 50's they know when someone's doing something just for the sake of doing it. Tigga is NOT the average black Bermudian so I find it bizarre that you would peg Bermuda's relationship problems based upon the interactions you see here. As I said, ask alsys, Casual Observer, Guilden, J Galt, D. Morris, Ken et al. if they consider themselves as equals to the mercenary character "tigga". For that is all he is. A player sent into do battle in what his master considers/perceives to be a white man's blog.

Sparxx...

"Whites get angry, but at the end of the day that anger is seen by blacks as hatred and in reality... it is. There will come a time when we have to move past the rhetoric and actually engage blacks, face to face on their own grounds. That is the ONLY way forward".

And meanwhile Rome burns huh? Meanwhile one man f...s with this land and it's peoples - it's future?

Maybe Dale Butler saw the light.

   

my viewpoint wasn't just in reference to tigga... it was more for whites who continue to engage him. He may certainly have an agenda, and by continually engaging him in that agenda you become all that he wants you to be. I'm certain not all blacks are represented by tigga. Thank God/Allah/Jehova/Optimus Prime for that. Just realize that for every Casual Observer and the like, there are tiggas and the like.

here's a thought Martin... if we dedicated as much effort into fixing the problems as we do bitching about them... maybe we wouldn't even have smoke to deal with.

If you can't beat 'em...

Here's the rub Sparxx....you can't join them.

tell that to:

Dr. Ball
David Allen
Zane Desilva
Jane Coreria
Jonathon Starling



it's not the plp that makes it hard to join them - it's ur white friends  :)...that's according to a white plper that is...

Let us thank god that no aesthetically challenged creative genius has ever spewed a bucket of racist filth at any bruvver that dared to join the UBP.

David Allen
Dr Ball
Zane Desilva
Jane Coreria
Jonathon Starling...

So that's it is it? Five people?

Desilva and Coreria are so far up his lordships ass, that it's permanently dark - and Starling gets his ass well and truely kicked by Burt in the RG.

Brilliant! Remind me to mention Starling's name when I go to sign up.

There are only two good pieces of news this week (so far). One is that there is a crack in the PLP veneer. Thanks to Davina and others for that.

I wonder how long it will be before someone "takes her to one side and has a little chat with her'? You know....the "we must stick together" bit.

The other good news is that the Chinese haven't asked for the 4 to be repatriated.

So let's see.... We can join...

The UBP ... which for all intents and purposes is "dead and gone" (PLEASE don't fight for it... it's done)

The PLP ... Government of the day and immediate hope for OUR future (whether you like it or not)

Or some third party, yet to be created, whose chances right now are probably equivalent to the UBP's.

If you care enough about the future of your country... it's time to change the way you believe.

You sound kind of resigned to the possibility that everything else will fail Sparxx.

UBP - totally agree with you.
PLP - if they get their act together, it makes sense.
3rd Party - well, if you say it's dead - then I guess it's dead. No more discussion about that bad little thing. No point huh.

I never said a 3rd party was dead. I said it doesn't exist... therefore it's chances are equal to the UBP's. If you know something I don't... point me to their platform.

Well - that question certainly brought the topic to a close.

Tigga
 
Is there any depth to which Ewart's behaviour could sink which would cause you to question the correctness of his actions as Premier?

PS You must answer without reference to the actions of any previous incumbent.

tigga,

what about the rest of my questions regarding Dr. Brown's blatant violation of BDA's Consitution and his one man band idea of a democratic nation?  I know you are an intelligent individual who went to a highly respectable University.  So you understand that dr. Brown's unilateral actions are a direct contradiction to BDA's democratic principles and a direct slap in the face of BDA's electorate who voted in NUMEROUS individuals to make decisions in a colectice capacity.  

So are you going to answer (defend) the question?  Or are you going to take the lead from your infalliable and flawless leader and ignore some question which you can't answer and label it as  a "plantation question."  Oh wait he is not your leader.  Your white canadian leader is more than likely the descendant of some slave owners.  Since you and your entourage believe that all whites must have been a massa at some point in the game.

In 1842 when the white govt brought in people from the UK and Portugal to add to the "white" pool, is that similar to the position of helping "people who look like me"?.

Ironic that some of descendants of those "white" portuguese are NOW PLP members and TODAY getting all the big/huge/largest govt contracts.  Why is that?  If they are not PLP or friends of Brown would these privileged whites still get the large contracts - over $100,000,000 worth just last year between DeSilva and Correia?  Lopes?

What happened to helping those that look like you Tigga?  

If whites are so angered at loss of privilege, why are these particular 1842 descent whites so privileged?  If the issue surrounding Brown is a race issue then why are these whites defending him?  Something to do with huge Govt contracts?  Are they free thinkers or compensated to think a certain way?      

I would imagine if you took a poll of Suckers you would find that Paula Cox is hugely preferrable as a leader over Brown.  So is it really skin colour that people are concerned with or the character of the wo/man?

Dr. Barbara Ball is no Zane or Jane and they will NEVER shine anywhere near as brightly and make a difference to the party or history.  They are in it for the money.  You cannot shine a sneaker and change their motivation...

And with all the gay people in Govt past and present you'd think that we'd see and introduction of legislation that would protect their human rights, considering we are so humanitarian all of a sudden.  Inconsistent, double standard and hypocritical actions speak louder than words.    

Bring on Paula Cox!  

At least Paula put us on the white list in a legitmate way through hard work and not "sucking up" as she put it herself.  Brown the dodgy dealer cannot help but put himself first, lie to the people, ignore cabinet and then turn around and tell them they are angry at their loss of privilege, and not at his actions.  

Freedom of thought and speech is a basic human right not a privilege.  One worth fighting and protesting for.  Just ask the Uighurs.   ;)

We are protecting the Uighurs who fled due to their loss the privilege and freedom, and condemning our own people for their freedom of speech.  But our protestors are white so it doesn't matter to Tigga.  Not what you say, it's your skin colour that matters.  So old and boring.

Guess what Tigga.  The value of people's houses has decreased by up to 30%.  All houses with a white roof that is...   The economy doesn't discriminate and we have bigger fish to fry than this right now and you are just creating more division and not helping people in the slightest way.

I used to post way more often on economic issues and tried to raise red flags long ago on issues like an overheating economy, falling house prices and attacks on our tax and regulatory system etc.  Your answers are all the same - race, skin colours, anti-black, anti-PLP.  Well guess what, I am 100% PRO-BERMUDA and I will call anyone out when they try to mess with our future.  And that includes Dr. Brown.  So get used to freedom of thought from people who don't think like you!  It's here to stay!    
  

yeah that's unique to bda - my father in laws friend just bought a 1 million dollar house in vegas for 300k - i went to a police auction on monday - $10,000 cars were going for $500 - its happening everywhere - so  ur point is

i don't know what ur ranting about - but i support ur right to do so  :)

K2U Grats. Totally.

Tigs.... clueless in Canada... as usual. Sorry dude, you can't swing the economics cat of North America in a room the size of Bermuda.

police auction - I suppose you were just coincidentally passing station and certainly not helping them with investigations as the school girls of Canada are safe from online baiting and harassment from men in their mid 40s who lead full and active lives.

not that long ago the ubp had 30 mps - now they have 12 - badness can't last :)

So - not quite made it to the 30 then after 10 years?

But Brown said we were unique?  Obama was not a threat - "electioneering".  We are special.  Nothing was to affect our "bread and butter" industry of ins/reins.  Invesco exhibit 1.  If he's so smart why didn't he see it coming?  Why spend and overspend knowing we were going to be in recession?  Concerts, BMWs, bling and the plantinum period of tourism.  Joke!
Now he's scratching his ass and kissing Obama's looking for favours.  Uighurs was the best he could do.  Smack in the face to Paula's hard work and now we are a joke on US news & talk shows.  Political joke he is. Can't run a ministry and can't run a country.  He lies to the people and then tells them they are complaining because of their loss of privilege.   Meanwhile the US laugh at us while we feed detainees ice-cream thinking that will help with Obama's new tax policy.  Another joke.  

My point is - Brown sucks!   Bring on Paula.

Nothing to do with race.  Nothing to do with party.  BROWN SUCKS!  

My friend just bot a $1,000,000 house in Bermuda a few years ago with a BOB 100% mortgage.  She's lost a lot of money/value and doesn't even know it yet.  It will get worse.
When she loses her job she still have no unemployment insurance.  It will cost her around $680 per month for a single person (no dependents) for medical insurance.  Have you seen the cost of food here?  Education? Gas?  Oh and here - $10,000 cars cost about $30,000.  You get where I'm going.

It could be happending everything, but HERE the Govt does nothing for you.

We have not set up support for PEOPLE who we know will be impacted by this.  We've bailed out BNTB with a guaranty, but what is there for the people? 

And it's going to get a lot lot worse.  And Brown is ill-equipped to deal with it.  Hence, Uighurs for leverage.  And that my friend is a crappy leader.

Our stimilus package is helping out 4 Uighurs and hoping Obama will have pitty on us.

Grats...

I hate to say this (because you know what I am going to say), but they need to experience it to understand.

If it doesn't hit them in the pocket - they don't understand. Sad - but true.

With a 100% mortgage I'd say the bank's in more trouble than your friend.

This might sound crazy as a Bermudian but can someone tell me who David Burt is? Never met him. I figured him for an older guy but I found some photographs of him and he appears to be in his early 30s running an I.T. consulting firm. He's the Chairman of the PLP. How'd he get that role?

With who we have in power now, we're counting on that  ;)