Hey Tigga,

Tust me, I only posted to show my agreement with the Letter to the Editor you provided. I have no time for these guys they are not interested in having real discussions, except of course when you agree with them. To prove it take at look at sandgrownan's post. He wants me to go back to sleep and I will oblige him.

I never said it was a "UBP did it..." argument, which is your typical response when facts are raised.

Now, if you feel so strongly about what is wrong in Bermuda stick your neck out and do something about it. Oh, yeah, your too afraid of potential backlash even though what happens in Bermuda affects you and your Bermudian spouse. You have a whole lot of backbone name-calling from your pen name but you don't have the guts to stand up and be held accountable for your words. COWARD.

You know my name and I am perfectly willing to stand up and be held accountable for what I say.

Hey Tigga,

You have caused me to break my none-posting here just for a minute. Thank you for highlighting that letter and the writer raises some VERY valid points, good on him.

Note that sandgrownan, simply tries again to discredit you without addressing the content of the letter. So typical of most of those on this site, If it is not anti-PLP they will not give it any attention.

I recall vividly the comments by the UBP that (1) allowing Bermudians to uses the apartments that were on the former baselands would put downward pressure on the real estate in Bermuda and just look were real estate is today, out of the reach of most Bermudians and (2) they claimed that the apartments were unsafe. Kinda funny cause they were good enough for the U.S. armed forces personnel and their families for years but as soon as the U.S. forces left the buildings were deemed unsafe by the UBP.

Let's see these guys defend the UBP on this particular issue.

Hey CO,

Think about, since you, Alsys, Elvis and I left this site the activity level has dropped way down and there is really no debate. I guess Mike feels that by letting a post like this remain it will find some interest and increase post count. He is trying to stop the slide, after all recently it has been him and SmokingGun trying to keep this site alive and Smokes has been instrumental in driving many posters away who do not think like him, the latest was Piglet in the Yard, whcih further reduced debate and now because Mike had allowed this nonsense to stand Pitts Bay, who I believe always had much to offer to debates, has decided to call it quits.

I would guess that within a short period of time this site will die a natural death, it is a shame because the debate was fairly lively and interesting, which meant constant dialogue and discourse, until personal attacks became the order of the day when cetain members realised that they could not win the debate on points raised.

CO,

I see no need to explain this to Smokes, because no matter what we say we are wrong. His post and his accusations just give additional suport to my impressions on what this site has become. He is only reinforcing what we have been saying all along. Just because I have some information it HAD to have been provided to me by a PLP MP. I wonder why he doesn't ask the Mid Ocean if a UBP MP provided it with the cheques supposedly written to Dr. Brown and Derrick Burgess. I guess he wouldn't ask that question because the story was intended to do exactly what he wants to have happen, that is, discredit the PLP and lable it a party of corrupts.

Actually, you forgot to tell Smokes that there were at least 5 or 6 UBP MPs copied in on the email sent out by SoO. Hey, maybe the information was provided to me by one of the UBP MPs, who knows?

Just to set the record straight, I never said I was sitting on SoO's business plan. How do I get such information, the same way you get information from other countries, actually, the same way most people get information these days - EMAIL - they can be sent and received outside the country in which you are domiciled.

As I said, I have no intention of revealing who SoO is but you are prepared to ignore what he has done and consider what he says as credible, funny how you do not do the same for others who have done wrong in the past. Couldn't be because SoO is bashing the PLP now could it?

Finally, I have no desire to stymy debate, as far as I can recall I have tried to participate in numerous debates, the results of those attempts have been clearly stated by CO. When needed I have been critical of the PLP, however, some on this sight choose to label me a PLP apologist because I don't go far enough, in their minds.

Hey CO and Alsys, thanks for the back-up and support it is greatly appreciated. Isn't it amazing that we are now being accused of being in cahoots? What else is new?

Smokes,

I have stated my reasons for no longer posting on this site as has CO and I have to say that since the departure of CO, Alsys and me the debate on Bermuda politics is now non-existent. All that exist now is comments made by posters who all agree with each other and say the same things even though different words may be used. At some point all the agree will become quite boring with each poster after the initial post is made simply having to post  just to say they participated.

Guilden over and out!!!

CO,

The reality of the matter is that there are just two of us who post here that having differing views from these guys and their strongest defense is to name call. I do not recall either you or me ever having used name calling. Imagine what this site would become if you and I decided to take a back seat from posting. The posts would not go on for very long because after the initial post every post post would simply be    

In the past where I have spoken sternly on a matter and my position has been in agreement with theirs it has been sugested that I send it as a letter to the editor. Yet, when I disagree I become the worst person in the world. PLP supporters are called stupid, when opposing views are presented the pendantic is offered, etc. I agree that there are many things about the PLP Government that need to be changed but I have also discovered that these guys would prefer that a PLP suporter or someone who leans toward the PLP take charge in the criticism so they can turn around and say, "Even your own supporters are agreeing with us." I don't know about you but I am not prepared to be used in that manner.

Smokes, has on a few occasions (during the Limey days) even sent copies of my posts to the Royal Gazette because he was in total agreement and felt they should be published as letters to the editor, yet as soon as I disagree he makes a full 180 degree turn.

I will follow the likes of Alsys and others who it seems have decided to step back, lately it has just been you and me. It will be very interesting to watch where this site goes when every is in agreement with each other.

You are correct, I have not written any Letters to the Editor (maybe I have been spending too much time here) for quite sometime but that shouldn't prevent you or others from doing so. I had a friend tell me once, just after I moved here that there are many who miss my speaking out through Letters to the Editor. My response to him was that we both have the same passion for Bermuda and I am no better than him or anyone else, so if I am not there to do what some people may have been afraid to do someone else can pick up where I left off.

Why would my name pop up in interviews with Government leaders? Contrary to what you may believe, I have no hidden agenda and no desires to be any sort of dignitary. Spending time with my family is far too important to me than to desire some position of pageantry. So just because I view things in a different light than you and some others on this blog, you feel I have no concern for the livelihood of my fellow countrymen. Who the hell are you to judge me? Have I ever passed judgement on you or anyone else on this blog?

Based on your views of LaVerne Furbert, I sarcastically say thank you for the comparison. At least I now know how you feel about me. Seems you are only interested in what I have to say when it suits your views. When I say something you agree with you egg me on and suggest I put it in a Letter to the Editor, when you disagree it seems you would rather I keep quiet. As there realy is nothing being accomplished through these discussions maybe the best thing for me to do is to allow you guys to have run of the mill without any differing opinions (seems that others who hold similar views have made that determination because lately it has been CO and myself being the only ones to offer any differing views) because that seems to be the desire. So have at it, enjoy your little lovefest amongst yourselves where you can all sit and agree on how lousy the PLP Government is and how stupid PLP supporters are. Just remember participating on here, while it may allow you to vent, will not give you any platform to make the changes that you feel are so needed.

Rasta,

Good one and I agree - LOL!!!

Why would I cry foul when the reality is what is it? I can only reiterate my previous point, if you believe many of the companies are leavign as a result of Government action or in-action, stand up and let your voice be heard. Bombard the press with why the companies are leaving, make sure it is on the front pages, pressure the Government to have the necessary changes made.

I only mentioned the Civil Rights Movement for illustrative purposes, I recognise that there are no other issues that are comparable but methods of affecting change can be adapted from the CRM. I simply find that there are many in Bermuda who will complain amongst themselves but will not stand up and be counted, you do not get change in that manner.

The Bermuda Inc. concept took Government's focus off Tourism, which meant there was no way for it to prevent or even slow the sliding sector. It may not have destroyed tourism but it sure helped to push it toward destruction.