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« on: April 12, 2007, 06:18:39 PM »

I have been following the controversy of Don Imus remarks about a woman't basketball team.  Sponsors of the show started pulling out immediately and the final blow was delivered today.... he was fired. 

I would love it if we could have that power with the government officials and their racist remarks.  I spoke in length to some Bermudians today regarding this and their response was:  Bermudians are not as passionate about things and accept it for what it is.  I challenged them by stating don't you believe in yourself or rights?  If you don't fight for what you believe in then you are not really living life.  One thing they adamently believe is that if Bermuda goes independant that the island will go down hill because of the passiveness of Bermudians.
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2007, 08:02:29 PM »

Here here AAW!

I agree that Bermudians are passive. Completely...and Bermudians agree that they are passive....although they are outspoken! The flame is quick to ignite, but equally quick to be extinguished! I guess that's why everything is usually done half assed if completed at all!
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 09:12:11 AM »

Phony outrage & Double-standards ,  Sharpton and Jackson are frequent visitors to Bermuda,friends of the Black Beret PLP. I expect them to be imported here again and paraded around ,as "Rev" Tweed  was during the  2003 election  , to stir up another hate whitey campaign .

Where was the outrage over Handbag burch's "house ****s" and Brown's hateful venom? Where was the outrage over the Portuguese worker beaten to near death by a crowd of blacks at Docksider's pub?
Where was the outrage over the Duke lacrosse players ? , false charges of rape hung over them for over a year.

 Sharpton and Jackson are  professional race baiters ,who do nothing but scan the news day after day looking for some comment or action taken by someone-not-black that they can feign outrage over and get a little face time on the news.
Sharpton is a liar and a bigot. He falsely accused Steven Pagones of rape and mutilation in the Tawana Brawley matter.He incited a four-day riot and murder at Freddie's Fashion Mart in Harlem.


 It is about racial power politics.
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2007, 06:53:09 AM »

I read about the remarks and it was good to see that appropriate action was taken. Quite a contrast to remarks made by certain government officials in another world.
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2007, 03:40:41 PM »

Lack of accountability.

I wonder if it comes from the rational that if all of the corrupt ministers were canned, there wouldn't be anybody left?
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2007, 07:38:29 PM »

Racism trickling down the ranks to children.

My child who is very pale with freckles came home the other day very upset at what another "friend" was saying to him.  He was told that he is different and not like anyone else in the class.  When he rebutted the remark saying he is just the same the response was that he wasn't, that he was "white chocolate" and started taunting him.  My son is 8 years old and has been brought up that everyone has the same colour of blood running through his veins.  We should all be treated alike.  He was very hurt and didn't understand the comments.  Man it is very frustrating as a parent to see that other parents/government officials are teaching the future leaders to hate.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2007, 07:44:50 PM »

Oh, AAW, this must be a moment that any responsible parent in Bermuda dreads. I sure feel for your son but I know that you will guide him with your usual wisdom and sound advice (even though inside you must be just fuming). His classmates have much to learn and thanks to his smart mum he is just ahead of them in thought development.
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2007, 08:06:09 PM »

Well I had the discussion, but in the end I told him that the actual white chocolate was really sweet and a treat so to see the best in the situation.  He seemed to smile at that.  The thing is because of his nature and his not seeing "colour" he was nominated and won a Future Leader of Bermuda award, which makes me so proud.  I told him to be true to himself and others and he will do well.  My oldest doesn't get razzing much because he is darker.
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2007, 08:16:03 PM »

You are right that children don't start out as being racist.  They have to be taught that behaviour - they learn best by example.

AAW, your son will be able to sort out this situation because of what you have told him and, more importantly, by the way you behave towards others who don't happen to have the same skin colour you do.  

Acknowledge his hurt and let him know that mean people will say untrue things to try to upset him.  Teach him the best way to get back at them is to respond to their taunts with kindness.  

I admit, it gives me perverse satisfaction to see others get wound up to the breaking point when I just redirect my anger.  Turning the other cheek really is a great strategy for diffusing verbal confrontation.  

It will be a tough time for your son.  Encourage him to keep his dignity and reward him for being strong enough to take abuse and being a better person for not resorting to being as mean as the people he has to deal with.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2007, 08:23:48 PM »

I believe that the parent needs to give their children the tools and how to operate the tools properly and not carelessly.  Just hope that they run away with the "tools" and succeed. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 08:24:47 PM »

"Respond ... with kindness"... I don't think so Guru-Mike... they'll be all over him in a minute if they sense any weakness.  My youngest son who is fairly short (many moons ago) also experienced some racial remarks and ignorance, and even got pushed around here... and had to "bust some ass" to get respect (his "tools").  He became quite the little fighter, even taking boxing lessons, fighting publicly twice, and has had no problems since....   Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 10:22:47 PM »

I'll strongly disagree with you on that mysticman. 

First, let's clarify that we are talking about two different situations.  I specifically described a strategy for a verbal confrontation.  You point out that your son "got pushed", which I must assume means the confrontation escalated to include physical contact.  This is another level of threat and is not what we were talking about.

Teaching children how to diffuse anger with words helps to avoid physical confrontation.  This can be done without showing any weakness and should be the first goal. 

Only if a child is unable to prevent being attacked should they defend themselves physically.  The goal of self-defence is to survive to live another day, not to "bust ass to get respect".  That behaviour teaches children it is acceptable to hit people who don't agree with you, or to use intimidation to get your way.  I don't condone that and you won't find it in the karate school I come from.

If you want to address me by title, I'd rather you call me Sensei as the students do.
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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2007, 05:42:32 AM »

I knew you would, Sensei Mike.  But this is Bermuda.  Physical confrontation is next if they sense any weakness from your "turn the other cheek suggestion."  I will be anxiously awaiting to hear how AAW's child makes out with your "kill them with kindness approach" which, in this country, with it's inherently growing racism particularly in children (who know no boundaries), may be a little idealistic today... I hope he proves me wrong!  Sad
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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2007, 09:13:02 AM »

Hmmmm Mystic - quiet a statement and as a mum and a pacifist i wouldn't encourage my children to respond with physical threats.  It's scary to think that it's the norm here in Bermuda - but i too have actually seen it happen.  At the bus terminal, a group of girls beating the beejezus out of another girl and people just walking by except for one bus driver who got out of his bus and started yelling at them.  They soon scarpered - but for me it was a frightening experience, these girls were all the same height as me and i was scared!

I think in the instance that you are 'picked upon' you have to learn to walk away with your head held high - don't come back at them (they are ultimately bullies) and give them the satisfaction of reacting.  I taught my girls that if ever they were picked upon they were to go up to the nearest adult - often kids won't attempt anything with adults around.

Then again, is there any easy answer to bullying/racism? I can see this from both sides and it's sad, very very sad that this is what it's coming to.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2007, 11:08:46 AM »

MM -

I tend to disagree as well. I think the true test of the bigger person is in being able to walk away from confrontation - anyone can 'buss some ass'. Walking away takes a much bigger person. Personally, I think that physical confrontation is a last resort and should be used only somebody else has instigated. With that said though, it's pretty easy to just lose your cool and all ideas of civility go right out the window. As a parent I would NEVER encourage my child to fight, however there is no harm in defending yourself if you are in danger. Sometimes I guess it might take opening up a can of whoop azz on a bully.
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