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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2007, 08:01:25 PM »

By all rights a Chief Executive Officer cannot be a consultant to the very company he/she is supposedly running. Unless there's a whole bunch of Consultant CEO's running about Bermuda that I'm not aware about I'd say he's complicit in trying to cheat the system.

What's the problem here? How are they getting around immigration laws? They can call the position what they like, but all that really matters is whether she is either an employee of the company, or a self-employed consultant. Ultimately, even if she's described as a 'consultant', if she's am employee, well, she's an employee.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2007, 11:28:30 AM »

Lokes - by law isn't the CEO of a company the person who has the last say in what goes down? If so then she must be an employee of the company, correct? And if she is an employee of the company shouldn't the position have been advertised for a Bermudian?

Regardless it's totally obvious as to just what Brown's intentions were. Avoid going through the proper channels. Who knows, maybe Arthur Tucker would have applied for the job. Wink
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2007, 11:37:36 AM »

Um... isn't she the spouse of a Bermudian?

Do they have to advertise for jobs? I didn't think so, but I could be wrong.
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« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2007, 11:39:01 AM »

You may be right UE.
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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2007, 11:40:33 AM »

I forgot to add the question: But why would the title be Consultant CEO?
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2007, 11:43:22 AM »


SG... As a general rule your assessment is correct, but if the decision is big enough, the board of directors will want a say, and they could override the CEO.  In essence he reports to them.

Regarding the Brown/Darrell thing... if I'm not mistaken the Consulting CEO referred to is none other than Ew-Rat's wife.  As such the position WOULD NOT need to be advertised.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2007, 11:47:02 AM »

I forgot to add the question: But why would the title be Consultant CEO?

My guess would be this...

As a CEO you are an employee, and draw (most likely) a healthy salary, on which employment taxes are paid.

As a Counsultant, no employment taxes are paid, and the onus is on the consultant to pay them, and this may be exempt depending on how many hours per week/month is claimed that was worked.

It's all about money SG... woulkd be my guess.

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« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2007, 11:56:45 AM »

Thanks Lewis. It has been my understanding that one does not need to advertise for "Consultants" per se. Is this true?

If she is the wife of a Bermudian and can therefore hold the position of CEO without having to advertise then thats fine. However just by the title of Consultant CEO it would lead one to believe that either there is another CEO, which I have a hard time understanding is possible, or she will not be actually spending her full time in the role of running the company. If that's the case then not only is the island getting landed with an enterprise that has now been put into serious question as to whether the island can support it or should even allow it but the fact is that it's being run by a part-timer.

Ahhh... the old avoid paying your taxes by creating a phony title thing. Why can't they just do it the old fashioned way and pay a low salary with a big fat dividend? Grin
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« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2007, 12:17:03 PM »

Just trying to figger it out as best I can.

Could it be that the title was created as she has no knowledge of stemcells, thus would be less appropriate as CEO, but does have other skills that she could offer to the company in a consultant capacity, leaving someone else to be CEO?
Like... kinda like having a part-time accountant come in every once in a while to do your books.
Like... like someone else is the CEO, but she comes in as an advisor to them, but needs the title to be CEO to give her the authority to make those decisions.

I dunno... I'm kinda trying to give benefit of the doubt, as we don't have all the facts AND this is... well, it's so obvious, y'know? That's not the usual MO, having something as infinitely proveable as this.
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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2007, 12:37:31 PM »


Lokes - by law isn't the CEO of a company the person who has the last say in what goes down?


No, a company's directors (and a CEO is not ordinarily a director) have ultimate power. Regardless, you can give someone pretty much any job title you want, even one that's completely misleading (look at the number of 'Vice-Presidents' in the corporate world today. I swear to God they're going to start calling officer cleaners 'Executive Vice-President for Waste Management').


If so then she must be an employee of the company, correct? And if she is an employee of the company shouldn't the position have been advertised for a Bermudian?


Either way, it doesn't matter: she'd need a work permit to be an employee of the company, or a work permit to be a self-employed consultant.

That said, she's a spouse of a Bermudian anyway.


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« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2007, 12:39:46 PM »

I forgot to add the question: But why would the title be Consultant CEO?

I can only imagine that, for some reason, that don't want her to be an actual employee of the company. Perhaps it's a liability thing, perhaps they want to make it easier to distance themselves if the whole scheme goes tits-up?
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2007, 12:48:31 PM »

I forgot to add the question: But why would the title be Consultant CEO?

I can only imagine that, for some reason, that don't want her to be an actual employee of the company. Perhaps it's a liability thing, perhaps they want to make it easier to distance themselves if the whole scheme goes tits-up?
Since I am not up to date on the subject, I will say one thing though. I thinks what your saying makes sense Lokes.

Only thing I disagree with is the "tits-up?" part. Your way off line with that one. In fact um gunna kaul yoo horn det vun......Was it it ...in-situ....gotta run........? Wink
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2007, 12:53:51 PM »

Lokes - that's the part I was meaning with regards to having the last say. Not necessarily at the directors level but someone who "as an employee" has the job to enforce final decisions and may therefore incur some liability.

UE - I'm with you. The whole thing seems so fishy on so many levels and raises so many questions for Bermuda that I would like to have at least some comfort knowing that the Bermuda partners are at least being fully responsible and accountable for what they are getting the island into. And it doesn't appear they are by just the title of the head executive officer.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2007, 12:56:07 PM »

Aulmost fargut. Loowy has promoted me to CEO of Vayste Menhadgment horn Rebbit Eyeland. Detz rite.......gatt rehad uv dee rummies............

Gotta run........nuffin lyke ah rummy bunny.......hmmmm....nawar no....... Grin
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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2007, 01:13:05 PM »

I have a work permit question. Do I need a permit to work in Bermuda if my Consulting Practice is based in the US, Canada, UK or any place other than Bermuda? Do I need a permit to work for short term projects, for example meeting with clients to gather specs or deliver a finished report?

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