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« Reply #255 on: December 30, 2007, 10:01:30 AM »

RE: Hospital

Many of the nurses being hired lately do not have the ability to work in the UK, Canada, US, Australia, NZ etc. their nursing qualifications are not recognized in these countries - but they are working at KEMH?

With the current exchange rates - it is not as attractive for a nurse to come and work in Bda with all the issues they are forced to deal with at the hospitals..

Not sure of the solutions but it is a worrying trend....

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« Reply #256 on: December 30, 2007, 10:01:44 AM »

In some cases ABC Re. and other IBs will contribute sufficient funds to build a new class room (for about 20 -30 students), but the "condition" will be that they get say 5 places guaranteed.

The net result being that there are 15-25 additional places available for other students (including Bermudians)

When looked at in this way, it can be a good thing!!

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« Reply #257 on: December 30, 2007, 10:13:13 AM »

People that consider the private schools "bastions of privilege" should go sit outside at 3:00 and see the kids from all walks of life that attend...

A very significant percentage of the students at the private schools receive some sort of financial assistance ranging everywhere from fee reductions to tuition waivers [speaking from memory the percentage is over half].  The schools try very hard not to be some sort of elitist enclave and they do a good job.

I've got mixed feelings about the concept of holding spaces but it's not just IB.  A number of years back I remember a friend of mine being more than slightly irrate - the hospital brought in a new doctor during the summer and his kids ended up in one of the private schools, despite the fact that there was a waiting list.  And I'd be surprised if there ever was a question as to whether or not the US Consul's kids would go to public or private schools.
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« Reply #258 on: December 30, 2007, 10:28:32 AM »

I personally have no fight with IB!

However, I have been on the receiving end of this myself - despite registering my child from birth!

The whole system changed to stop that (early registration).....because there were not enough spaces that year for IB! Fact I know from sources in the school!

Many moved to one of the other private schools. but it was still not a good scene!

I accept the good that IB does....but no child should be left behind.....

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« Reply #259 on: December 30, 2007, 12:02:59 PM »


I accept the good that IB does....but no child should be left behind.....

Piglet



As mentioned somewhere in this thread, threaten IB's ability to properly educate their children long enough and all Bermudian children WILL be left behind.

The people that come here are unwilling to do so if it impairs the ability for their own children to succeed.  And the fact that Bermudians are upset about their own children being left behind is indiciative of the problem.  Rather than whine about what Bobby gets at his private school, they should be rioting outside the public school for the abysmal standards and accomplishments it makes.  I have not seen evidence of that here, with the exception of the long infomercial telling us what was broken in the education system over the summer.

But alas, Bermuda is not about demanding excellence, rather wondering why not me.  This allows the Ewwee-Warts to hold power over them.  A little flash, a few insults and we pave our way to power.

My husband I look at it this way.  We see how the game is played and the difficulty in registering and affording private school tuition (to my knowledge, my company does not pay tuition).  We are currently not expecting a baby.  We figure we have 3-5 years from today to enjoy Bermuda.  9 months for pregnancy and remaining years for the baby to be a toddler.  Then zoooomm  we are outta here.  Its too risky.  I wouldn't play with my child's future that way.

(This of course ignores the length of work permits, just for argument's sake)
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« Reply #260 on: December 30, 2007, 12:06:23 PM »

There are just not enough places at the decent schools and state education is just not an option for many.  I would never consider it but then I wouldn't consider any of the private schools here either.

What disturbs me most is that the state spends more on each state school place than the cost of a private school place so why isn't it offering a comparable service.  For a country as rich as Bermuda to have such a terrible results in it's state sector is just shameful.  Without a decent education it becomes very difficult to take advantage of the many opportunities Bermuda has to offer and poor performance also leads to the "Bermuda tax" phenomenon, where under-qualified, under-capable people are held in job that the cannot do in order to keep the numbers up for an ex-pat to get a work permit to do the job.  ost of us know a few of those and it does not help the reputation of Bermuda workers as a whole.

Education is the key but it takes years for improvements to start to show in the workplace.
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« Reply #261 on: December 30, 2007, 12:44:25 PM »



What disturbs me most is that the state spends more on each state school place than the cost of a private school place so why isn't it offering a comparable service.  

Because Governments (all governments) are never as efficient in running anything as private enterprise is.  Governments are all about collecting money and spending it.  They are not about running anything efficiently, or reporting their results to shareholders. 

Here's an interesting idea.  You want all schools to be as good as private schools?  Privatize education.  Let them all be run privately.  Gov could pony up the per student fee (using the cost per student today as a benchmark) and sit back and watch what happens.

It'll never happen but it is an interesting thought.


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« Reply #262 on: December 30, 2007, 01:24:13 PM »

Education is the key but it takes years for improvements to start to show in the workplace.

Meantime government is set on implementing an affirmative action bill that will, of necessity, dumb down the system.

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« Reply #263 on: December 30, 2007, 04:20:42 PM »

Not just dumb down the system, but has the potential to cripple it along the way. Heavy handed approaches by gubmts almost always lead to the law of unintended consequences.



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« Reply #264 on: December 30, 2007, 05:21:39 PM »



  Many of the nurses being hired lately do not have the ability to work in the UK, Canada, US, Australia, NZ etc. their nursing qualifications are not recognized in these countries - but they are working at KEMH


I think maybe... that is to say.. well I mean... it's not exactly... Oh gawd I knew this was going to be be difficult but I also knew that it had to happen one day - I have to disagree... well no disagree is too strong a word... I have to slightly correct a ten-inch tall cute pink squiggly thing all dressed up in a London Bobby's outfit - it's terribly unfair - purple hippos should pick on mammals their own size... bahhh!!...

Okay my pink piggly-wiggly pork-scratching-to-be... I think you may have just... slightly... misunderstood the situation... not that it's difficult to do from down there... No seriously though... There are basically two types of nurses - assistant or auxiliary nurses (untrained) and Registered ones ... although these days the various Nursing Councils around the world have removed the word "nurse" from the job title of anyone who is not specifically trained as a nurse over the various 3-5 year trainings that are available. Instead the untrained "assistants" (who actually do get some form of training in the basics of caring) are known, variously, as Support Workers, Ward Orderlies, Health Care Aides, Personal Support Workers etc. etc... anything that doesn't contain the word "Nurse."

Bog-standard Registered Nurses do a three (sometimes four) year training which sets them up to diploma level. The really masochistic Registered Nurses (like me) end up doing a five (sometimes six) year stint which takes them up to a degree (of insanity) level... It's these poor sods who can call the shots when it comes to travel opportunity. I remember when I started training (before they had invented electricity) someone told me "You'll never make it rich being a nurse - but you can travel the world" and it's pretty much correct. I know I did it. Like Reality said a few posts ago experienced Registered Nurses are pretty much in demand these days - even the Filipinos (who churn out thousands of them every quarter) can't satisfy the export market.

Alas Bermuda ermm... manages to screw the pooch virtually every time when it comes to importing their ex-pat nurses. Not particularly the BHB's HR department's fault - although they are nothing particular to write home about - but it's the delay caused by the Ministry of Labour granting work permits and the artificial hoops they invent for you to jump through... I applied back in late 1998 and got so fed up with waiting that I told them to forget it and went off to work for the Joint Armed Forces in Germany for a year or so. When I got back, suddenly the BHB wanted me - like yesterday... and yes that enforced extra wait in the immigration lounge of the airport is a right pisser and really did NOT endear me to the island right from the get-go (paying import tax on my electric razor & CD collection didn't help either.)

Funnily enough I went to Bermuda because I wanted to see the country - not because of the money - I'd heard it was worth a look. The money was nothing special - even before the US dollar took a nose dive... I mean you may be paid twice as much as in America but what's the point when a box of Special K costs $10 or one pokey old room in the King George nurses home costs $850 a month. To the contrary of the popular myth Bermudians do pay tax - it just gets deducted from your pay-packet under another name... and of course what doesn't go in (non) tax, food, gas or rent... well basically there wasn't that much left and certainly not enough to justify me staying in that awful all-pervading atmosphere of racism and only-slightly veiled threats.  It really is a "sellers" market for nurses and I knew I didn't have to put up with that sort of nonsense so despite the silly threats I packed up and went somewhere I was appreciated and welcomed...

Nowadays if my colleagues ask my advice about going to work in Bermuda I tell them "Nice island, shame about the people..."

But anyways back to the point... Bermuda has to employ RNs to run their wards - the Canadian Hospital Board wouldn't accredit either hospital without them. They may have HCAs or PSWs  but they couldn't train them as Nurses because they simply haven't got a school of nursing... So they have to go down the ex-pat road - but unfortunately for them Bermuda is getting a bad reputation in the UK and Canadian nursing press which are their main sources (if not only) sources for recruitment.


  With the current exchange rates - it is not as attractive for a nurse to come and work in Bda with all the issues they are forced to deal with at the hospitals.. Not sure of the solutions but it is a worrying trend....


Well, to be honest, it's not just a problem that Bermuda is facing - it's a global shortage. Everybody's poaching nurses from each others countries. The majority of "baby-boomers" that made up the greater part of the nursing work-force for the last 30 years are now rapidly hurtling towards retirement age and (despite the Filipinos best efforts) the current generation don't seem to want to get into nursing like their predecessors did... Either way though Bermuda's going to find itself between a rock and a hard place with regards to keeping their hospitals running. Ex-pat nurses are not going to want to go through all that nonsense of racism, violence and uncertainty when there are other more attractive and hospitable countries welcoming them - they will vote with their feet and stay away in their droves...

But I could have told you that six years ago...



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« Reply #265 on: December 30, 2007, 05:42:16 PM »

Seven T,

This accreditation you talk about - are you sure it’s current?

I heard there was comment made on it in the two reports we are not allowed to see because they may embarrass the GOB?

Piglet

FYI… Piglet stands much taller than your generous but mistaken ten inch estimate..

PS Please feel free to make a hit and run reply ..I am sure the patients may need to use the computer to check their emails…….

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« Reply #266 on: December 30, 2007, 05:58:10 PM »


  Seven T, This accreditation you talk about - are you sure it’s current?


Yup, it has to be - and it has to come up to a certain standard. If they've switched over to American or even UK accreditation then the standards are equally as high.



  ..I am sure the patients may need to use the computer to check their emails…


Never use them at work... the milk of human kindness tends to short out the CRT and make the keyboard sticky (or was that tigga's speciality....)


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« Reply #267 on: December 30, 2007, 06:00:39 PM »

Wow, Seven T!  Thanks for the inside scoop on nursing.

But wait, there's more...

I used to date a lovely woman who was a nurse in Bermuda.  She was born and trained in the US and had ER operating theatre experience (correct me please, I don't know what it properly called), as well as experience in mental health services.  She ended up with MAWI, working with some of the particularly difficult patients - no wonder she could put up with me!  I'd hang out at the hospital and as I'd get to know people there, they were unfailingly impressed with her abilities as a RN and as a caring, compassionate person.

Over the years, Immigration made things so tough for her, she eventually gave up in frustration and the last I heard, she left the Island. 

Her mother is Bermudian.  She has plenty of family still in Bermuda.  After more than a decade living there and making a huge contribution to those who really needed her expertise, she was denied Bermudian status and a PRC.

Clearly, this is the type of person the Department of Immigration wants to make life difficult for.    Shocked
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« Reply #268 on: December 30, 2007, 06:04:53 PM »

Seven T,

This accreditation you talk about

FYI… Piglet stands much taller than your generous but mistaken ten inch estimate..


Piggy PLEASE!!!!!!! Stop bragging.........Your comment is unwarrented and totally off base. Heavens man, the erection is over, it's tyme too 'lay low', be humble and relax.....................................jeesh........................

Gotta run...........feel a song 'cummin' on..............'those were the days mighy frain, we thought they'd never end' then eye had too go wee wee........................

Yoo lutt sumtin alz..........................gotta run........making beeefstew......Lutts ov tyme.....like ole Grover Lamb tawt mee. Detz rite....................... Wink
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« Reply #269 on: December 30, 2007, 06:52:40 PM »


  Over the years, Immigration made things so tough for her, she eventually gave up in frustration and the last I heard, she left the Island. 

  Clearly, this is the type of person the Department of Immigration wants to make life difficult for.    Shocked

Oh yes indeedy... as I was in the process of getting terminally fed up with Bermuda the Mancunian lady who was in charge of the acute admission ward at Saint Brendan's was being given the old friendly-Bermudian treatment... deeply-dericulous to say the least. Not only was she a highly qualified, experienced and personable Charge-nurse but she had also been working there for something like 17 years... knew the hospital, the system, the doctors, the staff and the patients like the back of her proverbial whotsit...

This lady had gone through five 3-year contracts and every time they had renewed her contract because she was such an asset to the hospital and the people of Bermuda... but in 2000 her contract was up for renewal under the PLP for the first time... and boy did they give her the run around. I mean they leave it to the last minute to tell all the ex-pat nurses whether they have to get off the island next week and this lady had had been through that process many times before but on this occasion? Well I think they kept giving her six-month extensions or some-such nonsense. I never did find out how it was resolved - I was already gone...

She never even wanted to get a vote or whatever... quite happy running her ward. Still that's how they tick 'em off until they leave.

I was told that some ex-pat nurses last less than a week before they turn back and make a run for it. No way to run a hospital but a good way to waste the Bermudian tax-payer's money on a service they can neither do without or provide for themselves... they've got more money than sense!


BTW... You did say you used to hang around the hospital there?... Did you hang around the staff canteen at lunchtimes? Wear a red woolly sweater, have a constantly running nose and never use a handkerchief... Nahhh.... couldn't be... nahhhhh.... not possible?


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