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« on: November 08, 2007, 06:29:25 PM »

Canadian TV show W-Five is to show a new documentary about Rebecca Middleton's death. It will show Saturday at 7 on CTV... don't know if that channel is received in Bermuda?

The show is said to shed new light on the story and features interviews with some of the witnesses. Senior reporter Malarek says, "This is one of the more heinous crimes that has ever been committed on a Canadian on vacation ... and it seems to have been just swept under the carpet.

"The ultimate result was that years later, you would have a beautiful young woman sent back to Canada in a coffin and no justice for her."
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2007, 06:54:14 PM »

Off the top of my head Reality, Thanks. We should never forget the crimes that were committed in this instance. I will think of other words in the furture but I think we have both covered it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2007, 07:10:52 PM »

There were a great many serious and grave mistakes made with this investigation, the prosecution and certainly the actual hearing of the matter in court.

In my view no one mistake was worse than the other - they were equally serious in there own right and when joined together they became catastrophic.

One of the main (not the only)  reasons (to my understanding) why the infamous 'deal' was taken was because there was a massive delay in obtaining crucial forensic evidence - the DNA - this delay was a significant challenge and I am confident was a major consideration in making the  'deal' - unfortunately the rest is history.

The only part of this story that seems to get missed was the delay in providing the crucial DNA evidence - was at a Canadian RCMP lab.

I was also made to believe that they (the lab) were aware that the results were for an investigation involving the murder of a Canadian national.

I wonder if this will be reported in the show?

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2007, 07:17:54 PM »

This case ties me up in knots every time I think of it. But if there is one thing that I would implore the UBP to do if they get back in is UPGRADE THE LAWS!! Get up to date and try to make sure this cannot happen again. I've given up trying with the PLP. They just don't care.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 07:18:56 PM »

There were a great many serious and grave mistakes made with this investigation, the prosecution and certainly the actual hearing of the matter in court.

In my view no one mistake was worse than the other - they were equally serious in there own right and when joined together they became catastrophic.

One of the main (not the only)  reasons (to my understanding) why the infamous 'deal' was taken was because there was a massive delay in obtaining crucial forensic evidence - the DNA - this delay was a significant challenge and I am confident was a major consideration in making the  'deal' - unfortunately the rest is history.

The only part of this story that seems to get missed was the delay in providing the crucial DNA evidence - was at a Canadian RCMP lab.

I was also made to believe that they (the lab) were aware that the results were for an investigation involving the murder of a Canadian national.

I wonder if this will be reported in the show?

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Piglet,

You know very well that won't be reported. It doesn't make for the sensationalist story.

 
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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 02:32:10 PM »

Sensationalist story?!?! 

A young girl is brutally raped and mutilated, and the two responsible get off.  That's not sensational that's sad to the Nth degree.  And even IF there was a delay with the forensic evidence (cuz i'd like to see proof on that) the fact that the evidence was not processed yet and a decision made to accept a deal is the cherry on top of a big ol' shit cake.  It was bungled from top to bottom and the fact that there was an attempt to sweep it under the carpet makes it even worse.  Even the British gov't attempted to get Bermuda to fix this http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/16/middleton-review.html but to no avail.  In Canada it's a well known case, and for many the decision to come here has to be made, cuz quite frankly Bermuda is NOT safe.  So i'm glad that the story is kept going, cuz it should not be forgotten until someone stands up and gets it right.  $2,840.63 Indeed!!!  Angry  Angry  Angry

I'm sorry, but this case has always been a bone of contention for me...by no means is any of this directed at any of the posters, i just wish that a resolution can be found so closure for a family tortured can be had...rant over.

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 03:34:03 PM »

CC,

There was a delay with the forensic evidence - that is a fact - which is why there was no evidence to detain either party without evidence from the other. Again  fact. I am sure you accept that you can’t hold someone without evidence – again one of the reasons there was the 'deal'.

 I am sure we are all aware that there were no independent witness and without the forensics - the important evidence from the victim was missing.

I am certainly not making any excuses - every country has a case like this - Canada the UK etc. Read some of the disgraceful cases in the Cdian courts - if they even get there!!

Hence the current efforts in Ottawa to push through a new crime bill - unfortunatly this is not an isolated case.

I agree Bermuda is not safe - likewise either are many Canadian Cities - take a walk on a night in some areas of Toronto (muggings drive by shootings), BC (current gang killings) or up North - two Mounties murdered in a month! Tell me how safe you feel when you eventually get home!

My question -  if the coverage of the case 10 years on - is not sensational (not my word) what is it?

I wonder what the program hopes to achieve - as you say the case is well known already in Canada.

It should be noted that Bda AND Canada still have the double jeopardy rule for murder - why hasn't Canada changed their laws? After all Canada is saying that Bermuda needs to update their laws? When are they going to update their laws?

In fairness, I doubt you really have a clue what on with this investigation and I personally know that no Officer or individual wanted this outcome and that everyone of them worked with the hope of the case going before the courts.

It was and remains a truly difficult case and I hope that you personally never have to find yourself tasked with the investigation of such a horrible crime ….

My point remains the same - In my view no one mistake was worse than the other - they were equally serious in there own right and when joined together they became catastrophic

Not a rant just some facts…..

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2007, 03:47:50 PM »

Well said Piggie. K2U.

Whilst the murder of Rebecca Middleton was tragic to say the least, I'm not quite sure what 'light' such a program is hoping to shed on the case at this point. Weren't all of the legal avenues with which to seek some sort of redress exhausted?

It was a travesty and a gross miscarriage of justice that there were some fundamental mistakes made early in the investigation that likely altered the potential outcome. It's a damn shame.

However, like Piglet, I'm not sure what purpose is served by continuing to rehash the case. I agree that it is somewhat sensationalism - otherwise, 10 years later I think the case would have little appeal. It has all the ingrediants for a murder mystery... Blond haired, blue eyed teen goes on vacation to a tropical paradise tourist destination and is raped and brutally killed at the hands of two individuals and nobody is convicted. Tragic. But what purpose does it serve other than to show how the authorities and courts managed to bungle a case (and incidentally, none of the individuals involved - including at least one of the perpertrators were Bermudian!)
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 04:13:20 PM »

It happened in Bermuda, Bermuda's system failed Rebecca and her family. I don't know what are Canada's murder rate per 1000 population or whatever but I suspect lower than Bermuda's. I hope the TV show is handled sensitively. I suspect that such shows are inevitable at such an 'anniversary' - in particular because nobody has been punished.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 06:52:14 PM »

Well alrighty then. What we have here M'lord is crime being committed by time. And time is getting away. One might well say the double jeopardy rule is difficult to change but alas there are other rules that could easily be introduced so that, god forbid, this should ever happen again on our shores, we have some ammunition at hand.

One might well suggest "I am sure you accept that you can’t hold someone without evidence" but at the same time one might also accept that in case of aggravated murder any and all suspects can and should be held until proper DNA analysis has been performed and made available to the investigating officers. This would be a relatively simple fix and hence no deals with the devils will have to be made prematurely. And for those concerned with wrongful imprisonment I'm sure a few extra days wouldn't be too hard to handle if one wants proof positive of innocence.

It appears we are so hung up on re-wrirting the double jeopardy laws we are failing to grasp the low lying fruit. And if this can be accomplished then I'd say re-hashing the story has served it's purpose. Maybe not for Becky and her family but certainly for any future victims. Maybe out of respect one might even consider calling it Becky's Law.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2007, 07:03:37 PM »

Thanks, Smokes.  I really appreciate your ability to make sense of these things.

It is so hard for me to not have a huge emotional reaction to this topic. 

Seeing Bermudians complain here about how it was 'forners who were to blame infuriates me.  Nothing exemplifies the systemic lack of accountability that rock suffers from more than this case.

I won't be posting on this thread again, it just upsets me too much.   Cry
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2007, 07:07:37 PM »

SG,

No arguments here! - I think there should have been some legislative changes - I like your idea of waiting for the DNA and also change the double jeopardy. It can and does often take up to six months for results - unless paid for through a private lab - i.e. non police or state.

The best fix I see is the financial assistance with the Caribbean Islands DNA lab which has been or is being set up - a member would get fast tracked to allow for a quicker turn around time.

I again agree things can be done - that will prevent such a double tragedy happening again.

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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2007, 07:08:06 PM »

why was it not labeled what it was.. a hate crime!

I had to laugh at the photo in rg this week of a JA woman ,whose car was sprayed with "Bitch jump up" calling it a a hate crime.. Undecided
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2007, 07:14:30 PM »

I hear you Mike. It's not just about Becky anymore and I think Dave Middleton realizes that as well. Now it's more about the shameful actions of a government more interested in worrying about their own skins that those of the island's children and her guests. And yes the more I think about it it truly turns my stomach.
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« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2007, 07:21:45 PM »

Mike,

No one is blaming any foreigners and if that is how you read it - maybe you should try again.

Interesting how you make an assumption that Bdians are blaming foreigners - who is Bdain and who is a foreigner - some personal judgments and issues going on here??

The facts are the facts - they probably don't suit the undercurrent that seems to be on the agenda here at SUCKS - however in this case there were mistakes made by everyone Bermudians and others.

On topic- I and others hope that the upcoming new documentary really address all of the issues in this case and brings some comfort to those affected by this tragedy.

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