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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2007, 10:28:13 AM »

I have an account and can ask any questions members here see fit. Please keep them somewhat reasonable and simple (therefore less spin). I will post any replys I get back either on the message board or through PM's.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2007, 02:07:36 PM »

Surely the biggest testament to the UBP's ineptitude

I think this whole "UBP ineptitude" thing is in part spin that has been repeated so often that people are starting to believe it - like the whole 'UBP is a white party' and/or 'UBP is a racist party' thing.

Sure, they have made mistakes - what party hasn't?

However, the fact that this election is even close is indeed down to the people of Bermuda, because you are quite correct when you say "in any other serious country what the current PLP leadership have done and said would have them out the door in a heartbeat". But it's not principally due to UBP ineptitude that it's so close...

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2007, 05:10:49 PM »

I have an account and can ask any questions members here see fit. Please keep them somewhat reasonable and simple (therefore less spin). I will post any replys I get back either on the message board or through PM's.

Thanks Drew.

My couple of questions to start...

1. Can you please tell us which events have been run so far under the faith based tourism series, including cost and number of tourists attending?
2. Do you believe that there should be a separation of church and state?

Thanks Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2007, 05:49:28 PM »

Great questions Reality. I know that Ewart or his lackies respond to questions via PM when you ask them on Facebook. I note that some people tend to post his responses publically within their own posts. Personally I think that as a matter of courtesy if you chose to ask a question publically then the person should answer them likewise.
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« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2007, 01:04:07 PM »

A question for those who remember the 1998 election.

My understanding (in simple terms) is that in the '98 election, there was a number of swing voters who effectively brought the PLP in from the cold.

Where are they - who are they....surely they have had enough of this Govt?

If they can bring about change in '98, surely they can do it again in '07.

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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2007, 08:08:40 AM »

Gangsters have taken over the island and its Somalia rule boys and girls.
PLP will never leave office - them and Chavez - same shit.
get used to it or get out while you still can with your dwindling US dollars , homes & assets.... I"M SAYIN!
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2007, 04:08:42 PM »

Never is a long time... and I don't think it is close to Somalia rule. Lets not get carried away.

I wonder how many are truly swing voters in Bermuda.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2007, 07:36:42 AM »

Well. What do we think now kiddies? Can you say "groundswell"?

Years of Government produced, taxpayer funded scandals, fiascoes and mismanagement, where the people could only react and defend, often befuddled by astonishment, causing the People to become punch drunk.

I think now it is the PLP who is befuddled. The People may be asserting their role as boss.
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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2007, 03:34:50 AM »

Let's make a reasonable assumption that the UBP will get close to 50% of the vote.

I've been wondering what factors might drive the numbers into 50+ territory, what might sway staunch PLP'ers to either abstain from voting or directly vote against the PLP.

How curious are Bermudians to see the truth behind BHC, Berkeley, untendered Government bidding, Government studies... Who knows what other dirty laundry, previously hidden in a cedar paneled closet, may be revealed by a UBP Government. And if elected, the UBP must not flinch from discovering the truth, by perhaps citing national stability as a reason to let sleeping dogs lie. Bermudians can handle the truth.

This may seem cynical, but what is the degree of Schadenfreud between wanting to see the UBP suffer and the delicious desire to see EEEWWWart, Burch, Burgess, Rolfe, Burt et al squirm. The nasty side of me votes the latter. (Probably obvious given my descriptives.) As EEEWWWart might say, "That's entertainment."


As an aside, has anyone heard what the taxi drivers have planned. Will they be aiding the PLP, or sitting this one out?
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2007, 06:24:13 AM »

it's all up to black swing voters,their choice :

more  PLP Gutter politics backed by ex-convicts ,rolfie and Charles Richardson,bankrupt thieves Julian Hall,BHC implicated thieves Zane,et al 

or accept that PLP "black" government, as in the African continent , is  corrupt,  incompetent and based on thievery and looting the treasury.

In every country from Idi Amin,to Mugabe,to  oil rich Nigeria, generations of black leaders have stolen billions more than the AID given them by liberal western whites.

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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2007, 07:11:08 AM »

In general since World War ll, much of Africa has not been on the radar of America. Apparently helping to encourage democracy was not part of the program of the States, as African countries were not a national security issue or as they say euphemistically, in the national interest. Certainly not in the current strateejerie.

History teems with the oppressed becoming the oppressor. It is so much easier to be a villain, because villains make the rules. Too often it is the bad guys that occupy the brief power vacuum after a revolution.

 

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2007, 07:51:58 AM »

I'm going to point out that corruption is not a black and white issue, it is an issue of appropriate legislation that is well enforced, a matter of right or wrong. African countries are certainly not the only ones that have corruption issues... and not all African countries are like Zimbabwe. That country is in the crap because it has been run into the ground by an evil leader, not because it is located in Africa or predominantly black governed.

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2007, 12:40:14 PM »

I've been wondering what factors might drive the numbers into 50+ territory, what might sway staunch PLP'ers to either abstain from voting or directly vote against the PLP. .. How curious are Bermudians to see the truth behind

I'm not sure that to many people, this is the most important considerations. Things that directly impact their daily lives like education, housing, etc I think are more important to them.

I personally think these open-government issues are important, in part because they say something about the kind of people who are running the show, and I think effective action on these bread'n'butter issues are less likely with people with low scores on these open government issues at the wheel. Howewer, that's just my take, and I can see others disagreeing.

Where I think the PLP made a big mistake is playing the race card so hard. Positive racial relations are a major concern to a lot of people, and I get the sense that a lot of fence-sitters are being turned off.

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may be revealed by a UBP Government. And if elected, the UBP must not flinch from discovering the truth

If the UBP wins, I'd advise them to turn the whole mess over to an outside, independent review (albeit a thorough and searching one): the last thing Bermuda needs is to have any investigation into this stuff be seen as partisan payback. Bring in some respected senior people from the Caribbean countries, etc... (Yah, I know, more foreign consultants, but I think it's necessary if the results are to be maximally accepted.)

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This may seem cynical, but what is the degree of Schadenfreud between wanting to see the UBP suffer and the delicious desire to see EEEWWWart, Burch, Burgess, Rolfe, Burt et al squirm.

I don't think many people are looking at it in those terms. This is a serious decision with serious consequences, not theatre.

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As an aside, has anyone heard what the taxi drivers have planned. Will they be aiding the PLP, or sitting this one out?

I seem to recall some quotes from taxi drivers in RG stories a while back (around the time of the recent rate increase) indicating that they were pretty ticked off, and saw the rate increase as a transparent attempt to mollify them - one that didn't succeed, in part because it was ineffective at its stated goal, since it came too late in the year for them to make money off it during the tourist season. I seem to recall something about 'no help with the next election', but don't have time to track it down.

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2007, 12:52:23 PM »

jnc, you are correct no help from Taxis this comment was made by Lee Tucker, who does not and has not spoken for the industry. It was under his leadership that the atxi drivers found themselves in this situation, because he had no clue what he was doing as the president of his group.
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2007, 12:54:40 PM »

Um... nnnnot really. Wasn't this "situation" shoved down their throats, even though they were overwhelmingly against it?
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