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« Reply #60 on: December 10, 2007, 08:57:51 AM »

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2. HOTT107.5 License is in jeopardy, AND the offending staff members right to vote, because (believe it or not), conviction in relation to this offense may be deemed a "election offense". This could also mean that your boss couldn't  run or could be removed from G'ment if elected. - that's terribly unlikely to the point of being non-existent as a possibility, based on the conversations we've had. thanks for bringing it up though.

I'm intrigued that someone could be prevented from running for parliament for this offence but it seems not for drug convictions for example. There certainly seem to be some oddities to this law. Post-election maybe time for a review involving both parties and media representatives.

Reality,

This offence, along with others, is considered an "electoral offence". Meaning that it has to do with crimes against the electoral process. With our constitution anyone convicted of any offence in relation to an election cannot vote, offer themselves as a candidate, be a G'ment minister, cabinet member or senator.

The original intent of this section of the constitution was to prevent election fraud of any kind.  However,the wording constitution is simple, election offence.  The offences under the Broadcast Regulations in relation fall into this category. Funny enough, I had this conversation with the head of the Dpt of Telecommunication during the last election period, he looked into it and agreed with my interpretation.
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« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2007, 01:00:10 PM »

Thanks Thaao,

I can't help cherry picking from your comments, because I think you stand for things that could also have caused you to be at the very least, apolitical:


"i think bermuda/ians are or SHOULD be mature enough to handle people's opinions on absolutely anything so long as it's presented as such."

"i'll NEVER tell anyone, on air or off, to vote plp. s'not my bag. i'll tell 'em what i'm gonna do, explain why, then ask them to do the same. that's it, and i think most people are or SHOULD be grown enough to handle that."

"servicing our listeners with the kind of dialogue and access thereto that they deserve as mature, sensible people."


Thaao, you speak to the maturity, the grown-up-enough, the sensibleness of Bermuda and Bermudians.

The PLP hierarchy has demonstratively signaled otherwise, an abbreviated list:

Premier Smith publicly scolded audience members who raised concerns during a forum devoted to Constitutional change. I know. One the petulant responses was directed at me.

Colonel Burch and his "These people make me sick" remark as audience members voiced concerns at a forum.

I believe it was Cabinet Minister Terry Lister, in the House, who claimed that America was an immoral country. As a Cabinet Minister, he was ruled by collective responsibility, or as my friend said, group think. Wiki added nicely, collective guilt.

Premier Scott claimed the People did not know what they were signing when presented with the Referendum on Independence Petition.

Then the one for the books, "We had to deceive you" a la the current premier, who's favourite movie lines might be "You can't handle the truth" and "Greed is good." Well, of course it was politically expedient to allow Jennifer Smith to win the election for the conspirators, and stage a coup thereafter.

Lest we forget the "racist dog" comment. Nice.

Something I ponder, if we have experienced such a roller coaster ride, in reaction to what actually leaks out, what must be going on behind the scenes, if this is how the ruling party treats Bermudians to their face. And their hit list grows ever longer.


I agree with you when you said, "for better or worse, the plp's stuff gets to the heart of what's gonna polarise folk enough to go and vote. on that level, they really, really get it."

Where I think you and I differ is that I think the mature and sensible Bermudians you speak of are being denied, on many fronts, the right to critical thinking at a time, many, I hope most, would say, it was greatly needed.

Eddie



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« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2007, 01:16:39 PM »

I really could not have put it better myself Eddie.

I can see why Thaao would support the PLP, as a party and a philosophy, but I find it hard to believe he is cool with all the goings on in the party and by some of its members. Perhaps he sees nothing wrong, perhaps it is all perception. I always like to try the shoe on the other foot to see how I would feel if roles were reversed and that usually gives me a gauge as to if it is right or not. May not work all the time, but it sure helps in understanding.

I am glad to hear Thaao plans to move onto bigger and better things, outside this market, I think he would do well and wish him the best. I think it would be a very good experience.
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« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2007, 01:32:37 PM »

LIF, FE & Let you all get K's for summing up verything nicely and saving me a lot of typing.
Thanks
Smokes

BTW - Let - Sometimes the only way to get the likes of Thao and Guilden to get out of the lurkmobile is to fire a few zingers their way. I expect retaliatory fire but no harm no foul. I'll switch to a smaller calibre chamber for future rounds. Wink
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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2007, 06:16:07 PM »

hokay.

ue:

yes. that is to say, we're not breaking this mess just for the sake of breaking this mess; it isn't a case of actively seeking out or creating situations to slapbang against the regulations. rather, if the issue happens to come up we're gonna keep on erring on the side of philosophical correctness while accepting the repercussions of that choice. more than anything else, it's all happening because it's the right thing to do and, as noel echoed, this is a legit way to challenge dumb legislation. why does objecting to these boundaries strike you as being so odd? and you hoped i was above what, exactly? honestly, i'm kinda confused about those two particular points. thanks in advance for the clarity.

lif:

i know it's our perspective. haven't claimed it to be anything else, frankly. but, we're willing to fight for our perspective publicly. again, we expect to get knocked for the infractions and take the process further along the path for legislative reform when that happens. although, upon further examination of the legislation, it's possible that us recording the spots falls under the realm of spot broadcasts as opposed to political ones, which would be absolutely legal. again, demonstrating the clumsy vagaries built into the situation. like noel said(am only quoting him since i think he understandably/rightly gets a bit more swag around here than my own p.o.v.), this action is a legitimate way of challenging the law. thanks for listening, we definitely do appreciate it.

kickinsand:

i appreciate the information, but it runs completely contrary to all the conversations we've had from different folk from different backgrounds of expertise on the matter. *shrugs*, at this stage though it is all pretty academic.

eddie:

i can't deny any of the stuff you cited as being anything other than confusing at best, gotdamn annoying as all get out at worst. but, i do think there have been far more incidences of legitimate, successful attempts to engage and communicate than these obvious failures. if you really look at the entire list of public interactions over the past 9 years, there are far more healthy chunks of dialogue than those that curdled up on the floor of it all. that doesn't forgive the sins, but if we're honest about their proportion and frequency, we can make a more balanced judgement of history and, as such, what to expect from the future.

also, i'm not entirely sure how people can be denied the right to critical thinking. i can kinda see how they'd possibly be denied the right to critical action, but even that's a stretch for me. despite the strange, sneering general consensus, bermudians are a hell of a lot more free to say and do what they like than they assume; so long as we can support our opinions with a performance record that supercedes any bruised egos. y'know?

let:

of course i'm not completely cool with everything that's going on. but, shoot, i'm not completely cool with everything that happens in my own family, personal relationships, my own head. just gotta balance the bad with the good and try to come out with the columns leaning in a way that satisfies you. it's how life works, y'know? the heady connection i share with my absolutely marvelous girlfriend, my oddly forceful anglophilia, the way i can't eat on paper plates with plastic cutlery without feeling like i've got creditors after my trifling behind, my support for the plp; these things all make sense to me, and are all made the more honest by the ways that they don't. because i'm aware of 'em, and that awareness assists/forces me to make the tough calls when rationalising the speedbumps gets a bit painful.

hope that's clear.

smokes:

dude, if you wanna talk, just ask a question. i'll unlurk with the quickness and try and be as clear as possible as quickly as possible. no need to get all assy about things. yeesh.

have a great evening.
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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2007, 06:24:02 PM »

hi Thaao  Kiss
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« Reply #66 on: December 10, 2007, 06:24:17 PM »

Tigga....ver dee hal yoo pahut doze raza blades.............or was it "RIZZLA" blades.................

An erection is comming up. All I can say is thank the Lord for making my guilda a little bit bigger than the Thaoo-ong I am wearing........................

Ouch! dis his gunna be a tite RACE.......................................

Yo!!! Who dee hal his hin charg uv Prop-up-ganda?..........

Gotta run run...Thaao horn dee line.........Vat? Vat? Vtaza raceal lyne.......? Yah Bermudian?.....Oh Ok...you have a voice here................................


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« Reply #67 on: December 10, 2007, 08:35:36 PM »

like noel said(am only quoting him since i think he understandably/rightly gets a bit more swag around here than my own p.o.v.)

What are you trying to do, ruin my reputation? :-)

I did have some comments to make, been too busy to do so - I'll try and catch up in a bit.

Noel
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« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2007, 09:04:03 PM »

"if the issue happens to come up we're gonna keep on erring on the side of philosophical correctness while accepting the repercussions of that choice." + "i know it's our perspective. haven't claimed it to be anything else, frankly. but, we're willing to fight for our perspective publicly." + "these things all make sense to me, and are all made the more honest by the ways that they don't. because i'm aware of 'em, and that awareness assists/forces me to make the tough calls when rationalising the speedbumps gets a bit painful." + "my support for the plp" + choosing to use the exact timing of a critical election period to step up on your pedestal of self-serving philosophical correctness? Hey Brooklyn- ya got anymore bridges for sale?

BTW - From one dickhead to another:  Kiss my assy. Smiley
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« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2007, 09:17:43 PM »

Coffee or real green tea helps me
However, the witching hour approaches
And it's rum and pineapple juice
in a plastic cup, strangely enough
Chartreuse
Must remind me of summer.

                         - Smyte Mei
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« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2007, 09:24:23 PM »

Sorry, sweet Smokes interloped, Noel. Had to say, otherwise another cryptic comment. Did you receive the key to your query?

Love,

Eddie
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« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2007, 09:31:56 PM »

Darling that is beyond cryptic. I don't even think a full hot Rummy could decipher that one. Smiley
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« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2007, 09:45:05 PM »

Dear Perplexed,

I just received a telex from Smyte Mei, Poet Laureate, correcting the record. I can just see his pursed lips as
he pronounces "grapefruit juice, you idiot."

Love,

Eddie
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« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2007, 10:17:49 PM »

I still don't get it... Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2007, 10:35:11 PM »

So sorry Smokes,

Noel had said he was too busy to comment just yet, so Smyte Mei (Smite me) came up with a lyrical ditty, including suggestions for refreshment, to help him on his way. And it's not even Friday night.

Love,

Eddie
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