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« on: December 08, 2007, 02:31:33 PM »

"I heard Thao yesterday morning after a long exchange with a caller who told him that he was tremendously biased," she said. "And then he said 'We realise we might be a little greasy around the rules however we do not like or agree with the rules and that is the reason we do not abide by them'.

It seems like the attitude of the PLP... we're above the law has now rubbed off on HOTT107.5's radio Personalities.

Mr Dill, care to comment? These are Laws! Not rules!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2007, 03:30:44 PM »

Roll Eyes Don’t forget, it's the PLPs law too.

The PLP amended the bill in the 80's to prevent the pro UBP media stations doing it, but now the shoe is on the other foot they don’t like it anymore. Not really a surprise though is it; we have come to learn to expect this type of double standard. I wonder what the International businesses think of this anarchy creeping into Bermuda's rule of law.

Thao and his likeminded peer's may have a lot to regret in the future if they continue to exhibit this pathetic lack of self control and responsibility.

I have always said the PLP psyche is all about short term thinking and self gratification, without any care of future impact. Many of the UBP policies in the past could not be understood by these people as it required patience and responsible thinking to accept that conservatism was needed for such a small country. They would explain away the perceived unfairness of development restrictions by accusing the UBP of corruption rather than accept Bermuda was fragile and controls were needed.  I also believe that many people judge others by their own standards, so those accusations of corruption from years gone by were assumptions based on their own thinking and standards, we now see today the proof of this with the plundering of the BHC.

History will be our judge, and in ten years when the island has undergone a depression, hyperinflation, hyper crime and no open spaces left, only then will they understand the concept of self control.

I want to be a fly on the wall when Thao says; gee things were much better before Brown Kiss.

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conservatism 

1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
2. A political philosophy or attitude emphasizing respect for traditional institutions, distrust of government activism, and opposition to sudden change in the established order.
3. Conservatism The principles and policies of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom or of the Progressive Conservative Party in Canada.
4. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.


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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2007, 03:39:35 PM »

A classic quote from Homer Simpson:
"I didn't lie, I was writing fiction with my mouth."
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2007, 04:09:27 PM »

Pretty disappointing Thaao. You can rationalise all you want, but the bottom line is the law is the law(which was passed by the PLP even), and if you were so confident in the success of the PLP, why would you need to break it?

The problem with throwing oneself behind a belief or philosophy, such as religion or politics, once you have committed it is hard to get out unless you come to terms with yourself and can say you were wrong. Self-justification takes over and you can explain away anything to make yourself 'feel' in the right. Then, if the people you have thrown your lot in with turn out to be in the wrong, it gets harder and harder,  because you think, "I am not a bad person, I mean well, this can't be true", and you try to make those that have done bad, seem not so bad, for yourself. You try to rationalise everything so you don't feel like you have done wrong or made a mistake that actually hurt people, because you are a good guy and would never hurt people...It will eat away at your conscience, but you cannot turn back, for fear of looking stupid, being persecuted or even prosecuted. As a wise man once said, "the truth will out."

While I don't believe Thaao is a malicious person(granted I do not know him well enough to make any qualified assessments), I believe he is young and eager to be a part of something bigger than himself and the bigwigs of the PLP saw a use for a well spoken, intelligent, young black Bermudian. Perhaps he has been hoodwinked, but whatever the case, one could now draw similarities to Squealer in Animal Farm. Thaao is one of the 'people', people trust him, people listen to him, he is invaluable in communicating and controlling the masses. While Thaao may not realise how useful he is, perhaps he does, perhaps he is easily seduced by the parties, the VIP treatment, the feeling of power. Perhaps he does not care for the truth really, unless it suits his conscience. How do you support someone who may not have been formally charged of anything, even convicted, but who has so clearly mounted up accusations, and tried his best to deflect, distract and disrupt the flow of truth. Even if one of the many accusations is true, it is heinous and he should be tossed out on his ass. Where there is smoke, there is fire, and I have seen Dr. Brown toss closer friends and more powerful people under the bus to escape that fire, do you honestly think he will come to bat for you unless it suits his needs.

It is only a matter of time. You need to know when to stand up and look at what is going around you and decide if you really think it is worth sacrificing your integrity, or what is left of it.


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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2007, 04:14:08 PM »

Is mighy haid massed hup? I don't see a post here by Thaoo. Am I missing sumtin?

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2007, 04:15:40 PM »

No post, but I know he lurks  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 04:31:06 PM »

I like Thaao, he's pretty funny a lot of the time and probably people take him a bit too seriously sometimes. I don't agree with breaking this law but much of the problem is less with Thaao and more with those charged with implementing said law. If nobody is ever stopped for speeding, pretty much everyone does it unchecked. if nobody is reined in for political bias on the radio coming up to an election.... this is what happens. Not good but just about inevitable.

The commission that oversees content will be meeting and discussing this at the beginning of the week. Lets see what they do. Here the radio station would cop a heavy fine and the presenter would be punished similarly. I suspect that Bermuda will take a far softer approach.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2007, 04:43:02 PM »

I suspect that Bermuda will take a far softer approach.

Especially since Elizabeth Christopher is head of the commission...

I do enjoy Thaao's show from time to time, though I do not agree with his politics. He does have some interesting topics and does some funny shtick. I just think he's gotten caught up in this craziness.

I am not looking to see him punished, I really don't think his breach makes much of a difference anyway, since in most cases he is preaching to the converted. He is talking to his intended audience, and not to UBP supporters or government watchdogs. But I think the law is the law, and if he thinks it is wrong, challenge it through the right channels.
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2007, 04:47:37 PM »

Ok...detz cool Let. I was just reffering to the first sentence of your post. "Pretty disapointing Thaao"...detz all. I guess you had to "Mislead" me.

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2007, 04:52:53 PM »

I guess you agree to disagree. It's aginst the law let...............

If someone breaks into your house, you don't want them prosecuted? Why? Because he/they/she broke into the wrong house?
"Preaching to the converted" has nothing to do with breaking a "Law". If they are converted to whom/whatever they would break the law.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2007, 05:35:22 PM »

Nooo you misunderstand Rum, I do not want him to be punished, because I personally believe he is a descent person, but if he has broken the law then he should be.  I am just saying that I think he is being used and may be too young or naive to realise it, I could be wrong. He is intelligent, but that would make it a willful and premeditated breach of the law, and I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. ANd perhaps, just maybe...he was misled.
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 05:39:02 PM »

Well he's online and posting. Lets see this, it's been along time.................... Wink
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2007, 05:42:07 PM »

that was a misquote. ruth did reach out to get the clarification. i appreciate her doing so and told her as much, but since we have the latitude and, well, um, muscle to clarify things on the air ourselves rather than through other outlets, there's no need to do so.

the context of the statement i made wasn't so general/offhand. rather, it was slightly tongue in cheek as is my general wont, while specifically referring to the ubp chair's questioning of our liscence.

this was pretty much it, as near to verbatim as i can bang together. forgive the run-on sentences, but i'm trying to keep it more accurate, less concise:

"sure, we talk a little greasy politically, but is it worth challenging whether or not we as an entity should be on the air? 'cause that's what a liscence challenge amounts to, when you get right down to it. obviously, we go harder and further than any other media entity on the big issues, and that makes folk uncomfortable enough to forget about EVERYTHING else we accomplish and compartmentalize our connection with the community into being solely this political mouthpiece when that's clearly not the case.

in 3 years, we've donated tens of thousands of dollars to charity, given i dunno how many kids school supplies, given i dunno how many needy families clothes and necessities, paid bills for folks, put bermudian artists on the radio as often as any international superstar, put bermudian artists on the same stage as international superstars, sent bermudian artists to perform on international platforms and be schooled by international experts, gave bermudian teenagers compensated employment and experience in the industry at every level,  held an anti-violence rally, organized a literacy push for bermudian kids with the bling book club, and that's just the stuff i can think off of the top of my HEAD.

so, sure, if you hinge your assessment on the current and clearly inane legal framework, we talk a bit greasy about the political mess that goes on locally. that's a given. but, when you weigh it all out, everything we've done, are doing and will do, this is the issue you want to base a liscence challenge on? seriously?"

that was what i said, in a nutshell.

beyond that, as i've said on the air, the legislation limits free speech. not profane speech, not libelous speech, just the expression of opinion. it's based on 2 initial assumptions; the first being that broadcasters are less worthy of communicating this stuff than print media folk, which is a weirdly elitist concept. the second is that the listeners are idiots, it treats y'all like toddlers specifically at the time when you should behave in the most mature manner possible; intrepreting information from all perspectives about this huge choice until you land on a decision you're comfortable with. why in god's name does that process need to get managed? frankly, how can it? the board managing the messages has their own inherent biases and subjective preferences that will articulate themselves in the adminstration of the laws.

if we're just talking mandated equal time, so be it. despite that still being more than slightly disrespectful to the audience's intelligence, i guess it's hamfistedly fair. beyond that, the more diverse the conversation/points of view presented, the better for everyone. shoot, we just today gave the shadow health minister 90 minutes or so on the air to discuss the state of health care. giving the candidates equal access, not an issue. demanding broadcasters discuss the candidates equally i.e. faux or forced objectivity on people who make their living examining and explaining their subjective opinions, now THAT's just plain wrong.

far as i can tell, this is the only democratic country that has any legislation that limits what broadcasters can say/produce regarding political candidates. seriously. the reason it was slung back in the states is because there were enough outlets with diverse points of view for the folk running to find a way to the constituents without forcing the broadcasters to help 'em too much. in a country with 10 radio stations and 40 thousand and change bermudians(4 thousand people per station!), clearly, there are listening options. we do have the lion's share of the audience, but not because of a lack of options like in years gone by when this legislation was built. as such, we shouldn't be penalized just because people pay more attention to us than the 9 other options. forgive us for...being dominant, i guess.

anyway. i'm rambling, but this is all stuff i've said and will continue to on the air. we're not journalists, and have never pretended to be. listeners and the the law shouldn't, or rather, can't hold us to those sort of standards. beyond that, comparing this law to any effective/necessary law is ridiculous. speeding saves lives, impeding free speech is regressive and counter-productive/intuitive. clearly different.

thanks for listening.

ps this isn't a party thing, this is a principle thing.
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 05:42:54 PM »

It cannot be right that the chairperson of a government board is a government appointment. A chairperson is 
the de facto facilitator and often rules the roost and can get you thrown off. Hey Stuart.

Government boards should not be entirely informed by government, otherwise they become rubber stamps.  They should be a part of the checks and balance to a ruling party's whims. In Bermuda they are probably fangless, ever towing the party line. So much for the other people on the board who volunteer their time.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2007, 05:44:11 PM »

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