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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2007, 09:59:22 PM »

reality - thanks. that's the goal, really.

mystic - dude. they HAVE and ARE questioning the liscence. for the reasons blankman cited, while ignoring other chunks of the act that would preclude their own behaviour on the station, offered freely by us or that they purchase on a spot by spot basis. again, i think the whole thing is dumb, not just the bits that can potentially harm the plp during this period. again, it's principle.

i take your point about anarchy, but, have you even read the act? have you understood the fundamental issue with it? or is it just all laws are by definition of being laws unworthy of being challenged? tell me you disagree with the method of expressing the discontent, and i can nod my head with you. doesn't mean i'm gonna stop challenging it in the way that i find to be most effective, but your core point is absolutely valid. however, don't tell me you have any issues with the discontent itself 'cause as another lateral thinker, if you actually muddle through the regulations, you'll find it absolutely clear that they're outdated and regressive.

also, re: the names thing. um. if i recall correctly, you yourself have called me a dickhead, smokes a twerp as recently as today, so as i'm assuming you're kidding, c+ on the gag. Wink


smokes - actually. every radio station on the sun doesn't do charity work. we have 9 other stations on the island. have you ever heard of 1340, 1230, mix, 1450, 98.1, etc. doing anything for the community? i'm not saying this to stunt, rather, asking you not to minimize what we've been able to accomplish just to score a cheap point about my credibility in an argument. now, that said, i brought up the work we've done to make the point in the argument suggesting that we're nothing but a political mouthpiece for the plp. that's not true in practice on any level, since we do SO much more than rap about what happens in the dust around the house of assembly. don't sum us up 'cause it suits your agenda to do so. or do. whatever. just remember. it's. not. true. okay?

i didn't raise the issue a while ago because i didn't KNOW about it. honestly, like a asshole/sensible person i assumed that the legislation was purely equal time-based.  that's why i pushed hard to get both parties to send their candidates to engage in on-air, hardball style constituency by constituency debates. 3 prepared questions, then one wild-card one from a random listener posed live on the air with clear time limits on answers. this was my proposal that hit before the election was even called, and then re-distributed immediately after the fact. the ubp said sure(agreeing to an illegal practice, mind you), the plp no(not because it was illegal, more for the reasons cited by the premier in the paper). that ticked me off to no end, and i bothered the execs about it ad nauseam, on-air and off. *shrugs*. what're you gonna do?

now. i've answered all your questions in full and directly. can you PLEASE answer mine? if you don't, it's really rather dicky.

- do you think the regulations are sensible and worth keeping around?
- do you think it's hypocritical of the opposition to challenge our liscence for regulation breaches while taking advantage of our willingness to do so(buying more spots to run than is legal/mrs. jackson appearing on the air for 30 minutes beyond the legal limit)?


blankman - the regulations include WAY more restrictions than the ubp mention in their press conferences and the paper has written about, y'know? they're doing the same thing you're accusing me of, ignoring laws you don't like while complaining about the entity giving 'em the opportunity to do so. shoot, read 'em yourself. bermudalaws.com, dump political broadcast into the search box and commence to perusing. peep 'em out and THEN hollerate back with your assessment. if y'get a chance.

ue - as i explained above, like a dumbass/sensible person, i didn't think the regulations were this stringent. beyond that, i'm not complaining about getting caught or punished. i'm complaining that there's such a silly ass thing to get punished for. we're in breach of a dumb law, and we will probably be fined. BUT. by the time we are, everyone will know how wilfully repressive and potentially unconstitutional the law is, and it should be appropriately repealed by whoever has the juice to do so.

and you're right, i used the wrong word. or rather, i don't think it was clear what i meant. the opposition has turned this into a "hott's breaking the law to pump up the plp issue" i.e. putting a political intent/aspiration where there is none. again, this is purely a matter of principle. that's why we were asking mr. crockwell to come by the show the morning after the initial complaint letter was sent, hunker down and explain the problem publicly. in further contravention of the regulations, clearly, but giving the opposition a chance to make their case for the nation to connect with.

that kind of access, that kind of clarity, that kind of face to face, issue by issue truth-discovering dialogue is illegal during the time of year when it's most necessary. is that really so hard to understand? seriously, i'm really wondering.


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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2007, 10:14:53 PM »

Nice try Thaao... you don't "challenge" a law by breaking it... unless you want to get arrested.  You challenge a law through Parliament -- shoot, you DO have the contact -- or through the courts.  Not by breaking it.  That would be the straight up way to go IMO.  Sorry about the dickhead reference.  I should have said that you are acting like a dickhead.   Grin Cool
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2007, 10:28:41 PM »

Thao - first things first. The only thing on my agenda is that the people of Bermuda get the respect they deserve and that is an honest (or as honest as can be possible in a place like Bermuda) and fair opportunity to decide who is the best team to put in place to govern Bermuda for the next five years. No gamemanship or crap to distract and create false impressions. I say this to all parties concerned. Someday you may end up knowing who I am and you'll then totally understand where I am coming from.

To answer your questions:
- do you think the regulations are sensible and worth keeping around?

I can't say I fully disagree with the laws. I can understand why they were brought into play in the first place. Bermuda is not the USA or the UK. We have specific issues that need to be addressed due to the limitations of our size. It's something I respect. I also do think that the world moves faster and faster and as other mediums become more prevalent so should the laws be adjusted. I understand where you are coming from but comparing yourself to a newspaper reporter though doesn't really work. Their job is to report news and accordingly not show bias. (OK - maybe they're not always very good at it - just ask The Limey.) You on the other hand are a radio disc-jockey - it's your job to spin things. Wink

- do you think it's hypocritical of the opposition to challenge our liscence for regulation breaches while taking advantage of our willingness to do so(buying more spots to run than is legal/mrs. jackson appearing on the air for 30 minutes beyond the legal limit)?

Possibly, but in light of everything that you/the radio/the PLP are doing I'd say these guys had better get stuck in and use up as much time as they can. What's good for the goose thing. However I do think that they are in peril of being set up for another stupid PLP Ad. Is that your intention? Undecided
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2007, 10:35:02 PM »

"- do you think the regulations are sensible and worth keeping around?
- do you think it's hypocritical of the opposition to challenge our liscence for regulation breaches while taking advantage of our willingness to do so(buying more spots to run than is legal/mrs. jackson appearing on the air for 30 minutes beyond the legal limit)?"


 - with regard to your first question:  Yes.  I feel there must be some broadcast regulation around election time, maybe something a little more reasonable and fair to both parties, allowing more time for commercials.  But I still feel on-air personalities should not get involved and show their political bias on air.  Notwithstanding, it was your plp Gu'mint who amended the law... to their advantage they thought *smile*.

 - to answer Q number two:  HOTT 107 is in charge of who does what for how long... you call the shots.  Your station could have stopped the interview with Mrs Jackson after an hour; in fact you should have!  You station could have curtailed spot sales to the UBP at the legal number, and you should have!  But, hey, money is green just like plp.  So sure the UBP should take advantage of the situation, they didn't amend the law.  And they are not radio personalities... and that is what they are objecting to: the biased political antics of HOTT 107 on-air people.  Period. No matter what you say....  Grin Cool

P.S.  Bravo on your attempt to get political debates on the air!  K2U for that.
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2007, 10:36:06 PM »

Thaao,

I am not sure if the Law as drawn up by Government is an ass, regarding political broadcasts, but I am interested in your final question:

"that kind of access, that kind of clarity, that kind of face to face, issue by issue truth-discovering dialogue is illegal during the time of year when it's most necessary. is that really so hard to understand? seriously, i'm really wondering."

I wish Bermudians had that kind of access, that kind of clarity, that kind of face to face, issue by issue, truth-discovering dialogue with the Premier and Cabinet, on a regular basis, in open Public forums facilitated by unbiased moderators. I wonder why the Premier saw simply the entertainment value in what might have been a debate with the Leader of the Opposition during the time of the year when it's most necessary.

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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2007, 11:02:02 PM »

time out!

While I think the fact that a law was broken is important, Thaao has come here to participate in the discourse of it. Please remember he is not vanz/tigger/pembroke/etc. I know things have cooled down a bit, but, name calling and jeering does not accomplish anything. Yes it is clear most of us feel he is in the wrong, he is trying to explain himself, if you feel it is not sufficient say that and why, but the insults just are not necessary. I know he retaliated, but I believe he was being personally attacked first. Let's try to keep it straight up and get something accomplished instead of a flame fest, I can go back to my video game boards and have that with the 13yr olds.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming...

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I wish Bermudians had that kind of access, that kind of clarity, that kind of face to face, issue by issue, truth-discovering dialogue with the Premier and Cabinet, on a regular basis, in open Public forums facilitated by unbiased moderators. I wonder why the Premier saw simply the entertainment value in what might have been a debate with the Leader of the Opposition during the time of the year when it's most necessary.

I agree here, the premier has dodged issue after issue, avoiding answering anything or more important taking responsibility for anything. Nothing is open with the current government, so decrying that the station is facilitating dialogue to clarify issues just doesn't really fly. You get alot of double talk and the old dog and pony show from the politicians, and I think both sides are focusing on the wrong thing right now, so nothing is clear. The PLP came out swinging and the UBP is trying not to retaliate, but things are being said that has put them on the defensive and now they are tackling everything. Both parties are guilty of straying from the real issues, though I must say the UBP seem to be trying much harder than the PLP to stay on target.

My biggest problem is whenever someone is called out, the whining ensues, blaming someone else, saying, well they did this or that first or did this before. No one will take responsibility for their actions. You screwed up, admit it and see how you can get back on the straight and narrow. If that means following the law until it is successfully challened or ammended through legal avenues then so be it, but to blame it on the UBP being picky and trying to derail the PLP during an election campaign, well you should have seen that coming, have you paid any attention to the cat fight back and forth between the two?

Anyway, legality aside, I doubt you are convincing anyone who is not already voting PLP to vote for them, and I doubt the UBP's protestations are winning any swing votes. It is just all adding to the noise and distracting from the real issues.

I am more concerned about the integrity of our current premier at the moment than media miss-steps.


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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2007, 11:13:24 PM »

Yeah thinking about it,if the station was not affiliated so closely with the PLP, things like 'the Lights on to protest Milkman Ducky' thing would not even happen. But then again the UBP hasn't had to file a complaint about the other stations.

A normal radio station would not have had the candidates out giving away junk with them in their protest, it would not have been turned into a retardedly piss-poor hatchet campaign against Mike D.

You thought the UBP's fish ad was bad, but it had more about issues in it than any of the PLP ads(and that isn't much). Not to mention their recent ones of miss-information and just plain trolling attacks on individual people. It is like I am watching a bully laugh at a kid with a stutter, the 'puppet' ad was pure trash and you should even see that.

But back to my main point, if the UBP were filing a complaint against Mix106 for the same thing...would there have been a big call for protest by them that involved giving away PLP memorabilia and candidates doing the Johnny Barns? I doubt it. Not to mention HOTT holding a fund raiser for Mr. Blakeney. I know this is not all on your shoulders, but you are the front man, you are guilty by association, and will be the one that hangs out to dry in the end.

I don't want to detract from all the good stuff HOTT does, but it no longer is benevolent if used to justify doing something bad.


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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2007, 11:22:14 PM »

Does this site automatically replace 'M1chael Dunkley' with 'Milkman Ducky'?? or am I jus loosin my mind...I am pretty sure I haven't referred to him as that.


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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2007, 11:33:37 PM »

Ignorance of the law is a defense now?

I'm sorry, but the continued defiance of the law or regulation or whatever you want to call it, kinda negates that defense, as weak as it is.

But, in my neverending quest for objectivity, I have questions.

When was this law put in place? (And, by extension, which administration put it in place)
Will you and other DJs working for Hott continue breaking it, as an act of protest?
What other measures have been taken by Hott or the employees in question to rescind it?
Has there been any approach made to Government to get rid of this?
Will this protest and attempts to get rid of the law continue after the 19th?
If yes, can we hold you to that?
If yes, and your attempt fails, will you continue to disobey, especially when the next election rolls around?
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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2007, 11:52:27 PM »

Thaao:

I'll respond to your post and the questions you asked later when I have time.

But here's what I'd like to know for now. As a man who has a very low tolerance for hypocrisy, how do you justify the blatant political leanings of your radio station, while you regularly villify the hard-working journalists of the major newspapers for a bias that frankly doesn't exist?

Being a radio station does not give you any more of a liscence to influence the election than the traditional news media. So how do you condemn the RG and MON when those organizations have worked very hard to remain balanced and impartial during this election while your station has blatantly failed to do the same?
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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2007, 12:29:23 AM »

that was a misquote. ruth did reach out to get the clarification. i appreciate her doing so and told her as much, but since we have the latitude and, well, um, muscle to clarify things on the air ourselves rather than through other outlets, there's no need to do so.

the context of the statement i made wasn't so general/offhand. rather, it was slightly tongue in cheek as is my general wont, while specifically referring to the ubp chair's questioning of our liscence.

this was pretty much it, as near to verbatim as i can bang together. forgive the run-on sentences, but i'm trying to keep it more accurate, less concise:

"sure, we talk a little greasy politically, but is it worth challenging whether or not we as an entity should be on the air? 'cause that's what a liscence challenge amounts to, when you get right down to it. obviously, we go harder and further than any other media entity on the big issues, and that makes folk uncomfortable enough to forget about EVERYTHING else we accomplish and compartmentalize our connection with the community into being solely this political mouthpiece when that's clearly not the case.

in 3 years, we've donated tens of thousands of dollars to charity, given i dunno how many kids school supplies, given i dunno how many needy families clothes and necessities, paid bills for folks, put bermudian artists on the radio as often as any international superstar, put bermudian artists on the same stage as international superstars, sent bermudian artists to perform on international platforms and be schooled by international experts, gave bermudian teenagers compensated employment and experience in the industry at every level,  held an anti-violence rally, organized a literacy push for bermudian kids with the bling book club, and that's just the stuff i can think off of the top of my HEAD.

so, sure, if you hinge your assessment on the current and clearly inane legal framework, we talk a bit greasy about the political mess that goes on locally. that's a given. but, when you weigh it all out, everything we've done, are doing and will do, this is the issue you want to base a liscence challenge on? seriously?"

that was what i said, in a nutshell.

beyond that, as i've said on the air, the legislation limits free speech. not profane speech, not libelous speech, just the expression of opinion. it's based on 2 initial assumptions; the first being that broadcasters are less worthy of communicating this stuff than print media folk, which is a weirdly elitist concept. the second is that the listeners are idiots, it treats y'all like toddlers specifically at the time when you should behave in the most mature manner possible; intrepreting information from all perspectives about this huge choice until you land on a decision you're comfortable with. why in god's name does that process need to get managed? frankly, how can it? the board managing the messages has their own inherent biases and subjective preferences that will articulate themselves in the adminstration of the laws.

if we're just talking mandated equal time, so be it. despite that still being more than slightly disrespectful to the audience's intelligence, i guess it's hamfistedly fair. beyond that, the more diverse the conversation/points of view presented, the better for everyone. shoot, we just today gave the shadow health minister 90 minutes or so on the air to discuss the state of health care. giving the candidates equal access, not an issue. demanding broadcasters discuss the candidates equally i.e. faux or forced objectivity on people who make their living examining and explaining their subjective opinions, now THAT's just plain wrong.

far as i can tell, this is the only democratic country that has any legislation that limits what broadcasters can say/produce regarding political candidates. seriously. the reason it was slung back in the states is because there were enough outlets with diverse points of view for the folk running to find a way to the constituents without forcing the broadcasters to help 'em too much. in a country with 10 radio stations and 40 thousand and change bermudians(4 thousand people per station!), clearly, there are listening options. we do have the lion's share of the audience, but not because of a lack of options like in years gone by when this legislation was built. as such, we shouldn't be penalized just because people pay more attention to us than the 9 other options. forgive us for...being dominant, i guess.

anyway. i'm rambling, but this is all stuff i've said and will continue to on the air. we're not journalists, and have never pretended to be. listeners and the the law shouldn't, or rather, can't hold us to those sort of standards. beyond that, comparing this law to any effective/necessary law is ridiculous. speeding saves lives, impeding free speech is regressive and counter-productive/intuitive. clearly different.

thanks for listening.

ps this isn't a party thing, this is a principle thing.

Thaao,

Tongue and cheek or not, and who cares how much money you donate... ACE donates a hell of alot more!!!!

1, The FACT is your breaking the law, you know it and continue with no respect for the law...  You and your colleagues are role models for 100"s of kids, is that the attitude you want those kids to have? That's exactly what you're showing... GREAT ROLE MODEL!!!!

2. HOTT107.5 License is in jeopardy, AND the offending staff members right to vote, because (believe it or not), conviction in relation to this offense may be deemed a "election offense". This could also mean that your boss couldn't  run or could be removed from G'ment if elected.

3. You speak of "infractions" by the UBP.. minor yes, HOWEVER, by airing them, you commit the offense not them!!!!

4. As far a questioning HOTT's license... do the crime, do the time!!! If you want someone could complain to the ITU which hasn't been done yet. Then the repercussions could extend to stations affiliated with HOTT

You should know better than anyone, ignorance or contempt for the law is no excuse.

And so you know the UBP we're not the 1st to complain about your antics, the Dpt of Telecommunications had a number of complaints, from private citizens, long before the UBP lodged a complaint.

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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2007, 12:40:57 AM »

Oh, and by the way, I was in Hunts this afternoon.... Standing in line behind Mr Butler, when Ms Thang came on with one of your adds... He sucked his teeth and shook his head.... He  turned looked at me ('cus I was laughin like hell) I said... "Yeah, again, when will they learn"... He just shrugged his shoulders... 
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2007, 05:16:36 AM »

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Uncle Elvis posted: especially when the next election rolls around?

I have to say Elvis, I admire your optimism Cheesy.
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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2007, 06:02:29 AM »

HOTT's charade is not fooling anyone with a brain,your an arm of the PLP ministry of BULLSHIT and PROPAGANDA


If you’re going to take liberties and break the law with other people’s money, there are going to be consequences...

Dec 19th you will discover the price to pay for being a  juvenile punk

that goes “deuces “for your ace-boy E-rat
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« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2007, 06:11:37 AM »

I suspect that Dec 19th will be little different for the folks at Hott. Even after the BHC stuff etc etc, I think the PLP will retain power, maybe by a slimmer majority this time.
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