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« on: December 23, 2007, 04:07:01 PM »

According to the RG, the ferry pilot who was in charge during a collision into the Rockaway dock on Friday was arrested on suspicion of impaired driving after he failed a breath test.

Fortunately there were no injuries but the ferry and dock were both damaged.

Given how normal drink driving of other vehicles is in Bermuda, I wonder how often this happens with ferry pilots and other drivers of public transport. If the transport minister isn't too busy playing with stem cells, maybe he could tell us about what measures are in place to stop this/will be put in place?
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2007, 05:11:51 PM »

my understanding of the situation, from a relative that worked the boats during a  couple summer breaks, it's actually more common for the pilots to be drinking then not.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2007, 06:54:31 PM »

Did ya' know that drug dealers make the rounds to construction sites? Chack out the bushes.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2007, 10:43:58 PM »

Doesn't surprise me - when they first started running the fast ferry to Dockyard, I took a trip up there and saw one of the people who was working the concession counter on the ferry (this was a while back) scurry over to what was then Pirates Landing to pick up some drinks while the ferry was on its 10 minute layover.  Based on the size of the plastic cups they were in, I doubted they were non-alcoholic.  In hindsight, I should have reported them but I had no proof the drinks contained alcohol and that one of them was for the pilot.  It would have been my word against theirs.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2007, 08:27:51 AM »

According to the RG, the ferry pilot who was in charge during a collision into the Rockaway dock on Friday was arrested on suspicion of impaired driving after he failed a breath test.

Fortunately there were no injuries but the ferry and dock were both damaged.

Given how normal drink driving of other vehicles is in Bermuda, I wonder how often this happens with ferry pilots and other drivers of public transport. If the transport minister isn't too busy playing with stem cells, maybe he could tell us about what measures are in place to stop this/will be put in place?

I must admit it was an interesting way to park a ferry. The scariest part was when he headed back to Hamilton.  No warning honk on the horn or anything, he just backed up, forgot to raise the ramp (which dropped almost to the water). There were 2 people just about to board, they were lucky they hadn't reached the ramp yet!!

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2007, 10:01:45 AM »

To my undertstanding, standard protocol would have dictated that after such mishap, no passengers are allowed to board and one of the other (presumably sobre) crew pilot the boat back to Hamilton.  If it was a novice at the wheel, then they might have been understandably flustered.  But since it was the Cecil Smith, it's possible no one else on board was authorized to drive her.

In any case, the ferry made it back to Hamilton terminal without incident, met by the Marine Police who were waiting to escort our boy to the Police station for testing.  Rumours are flying that the alcohol content was four times the legal limit.

It comes to my attention that the Rockaway fast ferry crews are left to their own devices between the morning and afternoon runs (i.e. 9:15am until 4:10pm), which is when the period when the daily "festivities" are apt to get started.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2007, 10:35:45 AM »

To my undertstanding, standard protocol would have dictated that after such mishap, no passengers are allowed to board and one of the other (presumably sobre) crew pilot the boat back to Hamilton.  If it was a novice at the wheel, then they might have been understandably flustered.  But since it was the Cecil Smith, it's possible no one else on board was authorized to drive her.

In any case, the ferry made it back to Hamilton terminal without incident, met by the Marine Police who were waiting to escort our boy to the Police station for testing.  Rumours are flying that the alcohol content was four times the legal limit.

It comes to my attention that the Rockaway fast ferry crews are left to their own devices between the morning and afternoon runs (i.e. 9:15am until 4:10pm), which is when the period when the daily "festivities" are apt to get started.

Rasta, They actually did board 2 passengers for the trip to Hamilton, and almost put 2 in the water (one more step and they'd have been on the ramp)...  From my understanding the trip to Hamilton did go without major incident, except there was difficulty birthing. The 2 crew aboard were not authorized to pilot the Cecil, in fact neither had pilots licenses.   
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2007, 11:03:10 AM »

..and he will NOT be fired from his job. WHY? Because his employer HAS to enroll him in a rehab class first. Then IF he re-offends you STILL cannot fire him, just move him to a less important roll. You can thank Union rules for that.

...this will be ANOTHER ferry incident swept under the carpet just like the last one in Dockyard. You haven't heard the REAL reason for THAT accident yet have you?

IMO - ALL PUBLIC VEHICLE drivers SHOULD be drug/alcohol tested ALONG with ALL ELECTED officials. If you force 12-13-14 year olds to MANDATORY alcohol / drug tests in Opti sailing for the world championships, then FORCE the above to testing as well.

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2007, 03:51:48 PM »

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IMO - ALL PUBLIC VEHICLE drivers SHOULD be drug/alcohol tested ALONG with ALL ELECTED officials. If you force 12-13-14 year olds to MANDATORY alcohol / drug tests in Opti sailing for the world championships, then FORCE the above to testing as well.

I agree. One would have thought the normal thing to do would be have the ferry thoroughly safety checked before it continued, even if it meant passengers waiting for another boat & pilot to pick them up or a bus alternative. I'm so glad those other passengers hadn't taken that extra step to the ramp.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 11:36:24 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2007, 11:39:51 AM »

I rode the ferries regularly in the mid to late 90's. It was an open secret the pilots were fond of sipping "pop" on duty.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 08:25:13 AM »

I noted in yesterday's RG article about the ferry pilot's court appearance (link unavailable at the moment) that his blood alcohol was in the low 200's.  But of much greater interest was that the article went on to say that ferry pilots have a different legal standard than roadway drivers - 100 vs. 80.  So for ferry pilots, our boy was slightly over two times the legal limit, but as a roadway driver, he would have been closer to three times the limit.

Anyone have some insight on the logic here?
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 08:58:19 AM »

I noted in yesterday's RG article about the ferry pilot's court appearance (link unavailable at the moment) that his blood alcohol was in the low 200's.  But of much greater interest was that the article went on to say that ferry pilots have a different legal standard than roadway drivers - 100 vs. 80.  So for ferry pilots, our boy was slightly over two times the legal limit, but as a roadway driver, he would have been closer to three times the limit.

Anyone have some insight on the logic here?

There's no logic to it, the offenses fall under 2 different Acts. Until 1991 there was no offense of "drunk driving" of a Marine Craft (the police had to prove dangerous manner)  In that year the Marine Board Act was amened to include impaired driving and the limit was set at 100mg.  That same year, the Road Traffic Act was amended and the limit set at 80mg.

I believe the thought process behind this was that there was less chance of a boating accident due to drink (although boating and drinking kinda go hand in hind) than there was on the roads and that boats by nature are recreational and G'ment wanted to give people a little leeway.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 06:14:23 PM »

.100 ... that is double the driving limit here.

I'm curious if anyone has any knowledge of the situation in other countries. Surely those driving/piloting public transport should be treated like airline pilots and have a zero reading? Even double a generous limit seems a lot and I hope that this is treated appropriately. It sounds like there may be a culture of drinking in charge of public transport and I hope that this is tackled before there is a worse incident.
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2007, 06:21:21 PM »

Reality, this has been going on for the last 40 years. I myself was even involved in having a few beers when I worked for a local firm. This is an everyday occurence and is condonned by higherups. Only when the poop hits the dock does anything come out of it.

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