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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2008, 05:02:40 AM »

Erm, my faux letter from white Bermuda to Sen. Burch was not serious in any way or form. Apologies for those who lack the ability to see through such cunning ploys, I'd forgotten the plight of the ole sports reporter/chef/anyone who jokes about government. I shall go back to towing the line. Yes Sir!

Soul Rebel: My question to you is simple. Why is it okay for a black politican in Bermuda to be 'strong' and say his mind, but if a white politician were to do the same, it wouldn't be okay?

Secondly: Why, if Sen. Burch is such a likeable, truthful, popular fellow, has his party not ran him in general elections?
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2008, 05:20:03 AM »


Soul Rebel: My question to you is simple. Why is it okay for a black politican in Bermuda to be 'strong' and say his mind, but if a white politician were to do the same, it wouldn't be okay?

Secondly: Why, if Sen. Burch is such a likeable, truthful, popular fellow, has his party not ran him in general elections?

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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2008, 09:18:24 AM »

lord. It's back.

New picture, same ignorant, racist message.

biggie, when are you going to give this idiocy up? Your message is nonsense.
When are you going to grow a pair and actually try to say something substantial, instead of these ignorant schoolyard grafitti pictures?

Do you go tell your friends "Hurr hurr... I showed 'em... hurrhurr... I put up a pikchur of that black guy in a fancy suit on the telervishun, but it looks like he's a KKK guy..."?

Are you proud of these cowardly little pokes, or are you just jealous of tigga's notoriety and want to be more like him by using the same tactics?
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« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2008, 09:36:41 AM »

Have to say Biggie. When you first started posting you actually seemed to have something - maybe a little right wing but still worth reading. Now you're just a tool. Sorry troll. Someone crap in your lunch bucket? Huh
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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2008, 11:40:23 AM »

Soul Rebel - I think you're being a little disingenuous. It's not about whining or "losing control", it's about understanding the information on which ministers base their policies. How else would we know if they represent any sort of "value" to the taxpayer?

Secondly, it's about understanding the business interests and relationships that ministers have with others. We need to understand how those interests may affect the decisions and policies of the government. At the minimum it's about reducing nepotism and at the most it's about rooting out fraud, backhanders and ensuring that the correct tendering process is followed for gumnt contracts. We shouldn't, as an example, have a doctor with a private clinic in charge of health care policy.

Now, I know what you're going to say..bbbut they did it...and..bbbut everyone did it....and you only want to know because you don't trust a black government. What you need to do, is quit whining and look at what is required of our elected officials. Unethical but not illegal? We should demand and expect the highest ethics. Burch's answers to questions and his critics should consign him to the scrapheap. hard worker? Who cares?
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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2008, 12:47:39 PM »

Since he's such a hard worker and has the countries best interest at heart he should be one of the first to jump onboard and support this.  Because then all of his hard work will be there for the public to see and that way he'll get all the praise or whatever he deserves.  Just another way to look at it I guess.
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2008, 03:44:28 PM »

Since he's such a hard worker and has the countries best interest at heart he should be one of the first to jump onboard and support this.  Because then all of his hard work will be there for the public to see and that way he'll get all the praise or whatever he deserves.

Good point (and also bumping a now-neglected thread).

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2008, 04:25:08 PM »

Soul Rebel - I think you're being a little disingenuous. It's not about whining or "losing control", it's about understanding the information on which ministers base their policies. How else would we know if they represent any sort of "value" to the taxpayer?

Secondly, it's about understanding the business interests and relationships that ministers have with others. We need to understand how those interests may affect the decisions and policies of the government. At the minimum it's about reducing nepotism and at the most it's about rooting out fraud, backhanders and ensuring that the correct tendering process is followed for gumnt contracts. We shouldn't, as an example, have a doctor with a private clinic in charge of health care policy.

Now, I know what you're going to say..bbbut they did it...and..bbbut everyone did it....and you only want to know because you don't trust a black government. What you need to do, is quit whining and look at what is required of our elected officials. Unethical but not illegal? We should demand and expect the highest ethics. Burch's answers to questions and his critics should consign him to the scrapheap. hard worker? Who cares?
Sandgrownan why do you insist on saying that I'm doing the whining?  I'm far from doing it.  Like I've said before I've long come to accept things for what they are.  And quit trying put words in my mouth.  I never said anything about whoever did what before (also stuttering is not a habit of mine) Wink.  I totally agree that we should expect the highest ethics but again, show me a government that you would consider has this so-called "high ethics."  I'm guessing it's not ethical to be a hard worker then by your accord Wink  And I'd also be wrong to guess that you don't trust a black government (hey you typed it not me).  All I know is no matter what happens we still won't get the full hundred on any information coming from the top.
I don't have a problem with transparency, all I am asking is show me somewhere where these policies and practices actually work today.   Until then....... (in Dr. Evil voice) have a hot pocket, I heard they're breath-taking  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2008, 07:42:05 AM »

SR - For the record I didn't actually say i didn't trust the Gumnt because they're black, I simply don't trust them to make policy decisions with the best interests of the country at heart.

he can work as hard as he (or you) likes but it doesn't matter, if he's not working for the country at large. If his efforts are focussed on his cronies, Brown's acolytes and other PLP "insiders" and "friends", I'd rather he be bone idle. The problem is, with any of the buggers, i don't know for sure, because they (the gumnt) are dead against freedom of information. i guess they fear it would expose them for what they are.
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« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2008, 09:01:04 AM »

Why does this discussion have to end like so many others?  Is this a black and white issue really?  If it is, then how are some members of Parliament and Senate who support transparency categorized? Even Burch who in one breath supports it, but doesn’t in another. 

Why waste so much time negating something that in the end will be both beneficial for Bermuda’s people and its Government.   
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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2008, 09:44:37 AM »

Burch etal have been pretty clear that they support the idea of PATI legislation, but they will get to it in their own time, and when it does eventually happen, it will NOT be because the RG has been pushing for it. 

Maybe the way to get PATI passed a lot quicker would have been for the RG to have actively campaigned AGAINST freedom of information. 
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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2008, 10:05:53 AM »

Burch etal have been pretty clear that they support the idea of PATI legislation, but they will get to it in their own time, and when it does eventually happen, it will NOT be because the RG has been pushing for it. 

Maybe the way to get PATI passed a lot quicker would have been for the RG to have actively campaigned AGAINST freedom of information. 


Ahhh yes... Reverse psychology  Wink
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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2008, 10:43:08 AM »

Burch etal have been pretty clear that they support the idea of PATI legislation, but they will get to it in their own time, and when it does eventually happen, it will NOT be because the RG has been pushing for it. 

Maybe the way to get PATI passed a lot quicker would have been for the RG to have actively campaigned AGAINST freedom of information.

This is the bullshit politicians and governments should rise above. This childish bullshit is just ridiculous...yea u make ur point but at the expense of looking like a lil kid...guess its worth it to them.
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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2008, 10:54:15 AM »

Had to laugh seeing Tibbets put his two cents in. The Cayman's are eating our lunch when it comes to good-governence PR. I take it Missick went missing when they called for his opinion. Wink
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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2008, 11:10:03 AM »


This is the bullshit politicians and governments should rise above. This childish bullshit is just ridiculous ... guess its worth it to them.

Hey, they're politicians. They'll change their ways when it costs them - i.e. by being voted out of office. Short of that, why should they change?

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