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« on: March 26, 2008, 05:45:35 PM »

I have to vent this.....

I have no life so was flicking through the TV guide for tonight on the RG website (which is still not adjusted for the correct time...so annoying) and at 10pm on BET I see something called the 'The Black Poker Stars Invitational'.....am I missing something here??

I know, given the channel, that it's aimed at their target audience but it just struck me as something that simply couldn't happen the other way round without an Revs Sharpton and Jackson organising a march or 2 and calling for the firing of the organisers, TV Execs that air it, players that particpate, a boycott of sponsors products etc.

Again, is it me or is this just wrong and unhelpful in the struggle against racism and the drive for equality or is it just a daft poker tournament??

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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2008, 05:54:13 PM »

Could a white person try to enter, get turned away and sue??  Lol.

Am I placing inappropriate emphasis on a word and reading the title wrong?? Grin

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 05:57:49 PM »

"the other way round without an Revs Sharpton and Jackson organising a march or 2 and calling for the firing of the organisers, TV Execs that air it, players that particpate, a boycott of sponsors products etc."

....in spades. But if you really want to call a spade a spade I'd say whoever organised it isn't playing with a full deck. Hey bring back segregation why not..... dunce
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 06:02:12 PM »

http://www.bet.com/OnTV/BETShows/bpsi/bpsi_game_players.htm?Referrer=%7B626141EB-9CF7-463E-92C7-6F31C8698895%7D

Nope it is actually a tournament only for blacks.  I'm genuinely flabbergasted but I guess it's no different in principal to Black Police Associations or whatever.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2008, 06:13:00 PM »

Well I hope Phil Ivy doesn't lose his seat in Vegas..... he's one of my favourites. But hey you know something, no big deal. Anyone should be entitled to hold an exclusive event. I just have to agree with the fact that the two righteous one's mentioned earlier need to start getting their heads slapped everytime they go over board demanding repurcussions. Will it ever happen... wouldn't bet on it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2008, 06:15:48 PM »

Hey wait a second.... Phil Ivy isn't playing? That's just wrong. Someone call Sharpton or Jackson...  Angry
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2008, 08:15:34 PM »

on a slightly different  subject   finished work 4-30  picked up beer +food got home  put  t.v  on   espn  ready 4 england   v france   had shower   + espn  were showing  pocker   wtf Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2008, 08:30:48 PM »

on a slightly different  subject   finished work 4-30  picked up beer +food got home  put  t.v  on   espn  ready 4 england   v france   had shower   + espn  were showing  pocker   wtf Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
Any whiteys playing?? Grin
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2008, 08:48:11 AM »

I haven't read the link... but... not surprising in the context of US race relations. I mean... most events are predominantly white [unless you're looking at the racial makeup of any given prison population] unless specifically black. That's their racial reality over there... society across the board just isn't that integrated.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 09:03:26 AM »

My point was less about why they had the tournament and more about them being allowed to get away with it??
This isn't an event opening up competitive poker to the average black person who chooses not to play in the "predominantly white" events of which you speak.  This appears to be an event for celebrities who all have money and could easily pony up the entry fee to even the World Series which I think is something like $10K.
I must confess to not knowing who a few of them are (that's what the link is, a listing of players) but some are well known actors/comediens etc who are all loaded I'm very sure so why not call it Celebrity Poker and due to the fact that it's on the channel it's on, have the players that they have = no issue from me mostly because I probably wouldn't see it I guess.
I just don't get the hypocrisy;  You simply wouldn't be allowed (by activists and perhaps law makers) to start a channel called White Entertainment Television and put on a White Poker Stars event, all hell would break loose...so what's the difference here?
No one is barred from poker events unless by age I think yet BET appear to have barred people from this based on the colour of their skin. 
This event could easily have been held with the same competitors any number of ways but giving it the name they did, I think, makes it harder to advance the race issues that that country and many others, are still experiencing.
Anyhoo.
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 09:13:51 AM »

blahblah... so it's the 'Black' that you find offensive? Not being pedantic, just trying to be clear. Would you have had a problem if the term was 'Hispanic Poker Tournament'? 'Hungarian Poker Tournament'? Irish All-Star Poker Tournament?
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 09:21:59 AM »

Offensive??  Definitely wouldn't go that far but it's the nomenclature that I'm having issue with, yes.  As I've explained, exchange the word 'black' for 'white' in the channel and the tournament and all hell breaks loose and I'm at a loss to see the difference.
BET has been around for ages, I get that, there are Black Police Associations, Pakistani Societies, Women's Guilds, Freemasons etc etc etc all exclusive by their very nature, I get it all, but this is a game of chance and skill we're talking about and I'm not feeling the need for the overt inclusion of one race only.
I also understand that I appear to be in the vast minority of people who even give 2 shiney shytes!! Grin Grin  Must be a whitey complex or something.

In answer to your addition, yes I think I would although some of your examples are accomodated in so much as some tournaments or whatever require that you are a legal resident of a country.  A good parallel I guess would be a Protestant Poker Tournament being held in Dublin.  It flies in the face of the biggest struggle in that region.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2008, 09:46:21 AM »

blah blah - i mean those other tournaments being held in say the US... It happens all the time whether the intention is implicitly stated in the name or not. In all fairness though, all of the major television stations have been owned by whites... therefore there was never really any need to distinguish who the owners or intended audience have been... all television was pretty much WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION... which is what makes 'BET' [which incidentally, is now owned by whites *I think*] different and therefore the distinction or emphasis on it being geared towards blacks. Have we moved past that point where such explicit distinction is necessary? Perhaps we have. And I agree... white entertainment television wouldn't go over so well... neither would a 'White Poker Tournament'... but historically there hasn't been a need to cuz mainstream events have been geared towards...well... whites to the exclusion of other groups. Which is also why I don't think too many people bat an eyelid at the distinctions... America has historically been exclusionary and IMHO they are nowhere near tackling the racial issues that they have.
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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2008, 09:51:24 AM »

"all television was pretty much WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION... "

Kind of reminds me of when I asked my parents why there was a Mother's Day and a Father's Day, but no 'kids day'?   "EVERY DAY IS KIDS DAY!!!"  Smiley

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2008, 09:53:01 AM »

but this is a game of chance and skill we're talking about and I'm not feeling the need for the overt inclusion of one race only.
I also understand that I appear to be in the vast minority of people who even give 2 shiney shytes!! Grin Grin  Must be a whitey complex or something.

I gotta admit I dont get all the noise about this hehe  Wink

Personally Im more confused by BET feeling the need to add the word Black to the Poker Stars Event...I woulda figured that it'd be obvious the ppl playing would be black, given that its Black Entertainment TV...but maybe thats not obvious  Huh

On the whole "could ppl get away with it if they had a 'White Poker Stars Event'?"

It'd catch some shit, no doubt about that. I understand the pnt ur trying to make about it not bringing us closer or helping the race relations, but I guess I just think: at the same time is it moving us further apart?
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