.... first off the US TV industry is pretty much run by the Jews. They're a race all to themselves right?

All kidding aside, let's get back to square one. My take from this whole convo is when will black producers and decision makers start to recognise that continuing to use "black" only events or programmes do not/may not help what most white people consider their (black's) own cause to be. That is full society integration. (JNC explained this well enough.)

In the year 2008 white people see hypocrisy in this. Especially when guys like Sharpton & Jackson get all loud and obnoxious whenever there is a slight against black people.

What I think is white need to just get over the fact that this will continue for a while and just see S&J for who they are today - money grubbers. And there are a ton of money grubbers out there these days of all colour. The one shining light that I see is that there are guys like Obama who are steping up and taking over the roles these guys had in the years gone by. And both blacks and whites are comfortable with people like him. maybe we can knock another 10-20 yards off the dash in the next few years.


.... and alsys30, in your last post it sounds like you're agreeing me wouldn't you say?

Any-hoo I gotta run out for a few hours. Catch you guys later.

I'm glad you accepted this one and I wasn't being a tool (well ok, maybe a teensy weensy bit) by pointing it out but it's an example of the image that blacks can have of themselves that the Fox guy was talking about, no?

I know nothing about the topic so I'll shut up shortly but it might help to answer a question which is a spin on my very first question; does the fact that an event aired on a channel targetting black people was named the Black Poker Stars Invitational actually defeat the original point of naming it thus?

I can't get too psychological about it as I'm a PLONK on the matter, and I know most here think I'm wrong to see much significance in the nomencalture, but does it speak to the element of self destruction that some see within the black fight for equality?  Does reinforcing the blackness (sorry, lost for better words)  of that event (for all the valid reasons that Thaao and others have alluded to) actually become self defeating by the affect doing it has on whites and others?  Of course I could be the only white in the western hemisphere that thought it odd.  

Hhhmm, re-read this and while I know what I want to say, not sure this captures it, anyway, I'll post and maybe be seen to be picking at a well healed scab but what they heck.

blahblah - I think you've hit on the million dollar question. I will take it perhaps a step further and say: whose responsibility is it to do what? Is it the responsibility of blacks to stop naming events and wait for their invitations to participate in mainstream events? Or is it the responsibility of whites to recognize blacks and include them, providing more realistic representation in the mainstream? Largely, it has been left to blacks to integrate into organizations, and have to deal with the accompanying unpleasantries.

Personally, without the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who admittedly are sometimes over-enthusiastic, a lot of whites like yourself probably wouldn't take notice of the marginalization of minorities. Black issues would not be brought to the forefront of mainstream America.

blahblah - just for clarification, that was not intended as a dig at you. I was merely basing that on your earlier point that because of your background there are some things which would not have occurred or been apparent to you (as in the underrepresenation on tv) because you haven't ever really had to look for them. Which is natural, and it goes both ways... which is why discussions like this are in some small way helpful because real dialogue requires us ALL to look beyond the end of our own noses. 

Blahx2 is correct here (contrary to the belief of the CoP), this is the reason the Bda Poker Tour was "asked" to fold their activity. They were using a % to finance the events. Not that I see anything wrong with this, but the law was against them.

As far as poker tournaments are concerned, what you see on TV (ESPN) is usually the final table, basically the best of the bunch. Having personally seen some of the earlier rounds played I can safely say that race is not an issue; there are people of all races, from various countries.