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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2008, 10:08:44 AM »

blah blah - i mean those other tournaments being held in say the US... It happens all the time whether the intention is implicitly stated in the name or not. In all fairness though, all of the major television stations have been owned by whites... therefore there was never really any need to distinguish who the owners or intended audience have been... all television was pretty much WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION... which is what makes 'BET' [which incidentally, is now owned by whites *I think*] different and therefore the distinction or emphasis on it being geared towards blacks. Have we moved past that point where such explicit distinction is necessary? Perhaps we have. And I agree... white entertainment television wouldn't go over so well... neither would a 'White Poker Tournament'... but historically there hasn't been a need to cuz mainstream events have been geared towards...well... whites to the exclusion of other groups. Which is also why I don't think too many people bat an eyelid at the distinctions... America has historically been exclusionary and IMHO they are nowhere near tackling the racial issues that they have.
A station owner makes no difference and isn't my point but if you're saying that BET is owned by white people then that solidifies my point.  Owners are in the business of servicing target audiences, end of.  If I extrapolate your point, BET is gonna start airing white-centric shows/videos (whatever they may be..lol)
If you're saying that mainstream poker events have been aimed at white people in the past hence the need for this black event, I don't know the validity of that but remember the players here have the financial ability to enter most tournaments in the world so this doesn't help the average guy on the street who happens to be black. I'm a white person and can't afford to enter poker tournaments, I don't feel discriminated against, just pi55ed at my standing in life, lol.
We could have a meaningful discussion about why mostly white people can afford to play in them making tournaments appear defacto exclusive, but that's a completely separate and distinct point.  Tournaments are open to anyone who can afford to enter and not at the expense of just blacks (to generalise, I realise that are and have been many wealthy blacks) but at the expense of poor people...but that's the way it has to be, it's gambling...poor people shouldn't gamble if they can't afford the basics in life, right??
Tiger Woods has risen to the top of a hugely, overtly, historically racist sport; I have no idea what Phil Ivey says on his ability to get into some tournaments and that would be interesting to find out.  My impression is that to become a top poker player one needs more than talent, one needs a bankroll so where did he get his??  It could be that he was wealthy anyway or was so talented people backed him, I don't know.
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2008, 10:19:11 AM »

I have no idea what Phil Ivey says on his ability to get into some tournaments and that would be interesting to find out.  My impression is that to become a top poker player one needs more than talent, one needs a bankroll so where did he get his??  It could be that he was wealthy anyway or was so talented people backed him, I don't know.

He started playing in Atlantic City, using a fake ID when he was 18. He built up his bankroll by taking money from rich white guys in cash games. For the most part, he bankrolled himself, but I know that Barry Greenstein, the so called "Robin hood of poker" whos also a rich white Jewish guy, rolled him in a number of tournaments.

Point is, poker needs more black people so that I can take their money.
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2008, 10:23:34 AM »

Dude... BET is one of about 150 cable channels that targets black audiences. So no... they're not gonna start airing Friends reruns anytime soon.  Wink That's pretty much the ONLY cable network that caters to that particular audience. My point was that people shouldn't take exception to that network when there are HUNDREDS of others that largely cater to white audiences.

Have you ever seen a national poker tournament with a table full of black players? Nooope. Not unless it was called the black poker tournament... Have you ever seen a national poker tournament with a table full of white players? Hell yeah. Not saying that this is by design but I personally dont have a problem with it any more than I have a problem with the puerto rico day parade, spanish speaking television channels, st patricks day, the gay pride parade, etc... all of which are by nature exclusionary. If there's no hate, malice, etc attached to it then I don't see what the issue is. Its not a 'we hate everybody else, it's hey, this is for us'.

I get that it may reinforce certain divisions, but does it reinforce, or does it simply expose?
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« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2008, 10:30:55 AM »

Poker tournaments don't have tables full of black people, no, but not by exclusion in the tournament billing, that's my point.  It appears that whiteys are more likely to be able to afford to enter so there's a societal issue there and that's a valid arguement.
Anyhoo, I'm ADD so am bored of this discussion.  I'm off to play some croquet on my sprawling plundered-from-the-indigenous-people-and-tended-to-by-minorities lawn whilst I munch on some cucumber sandwiches, washed down with Pims and lemonade.
Tally ho old boy.

Thanks for the info on Ivey, interesting.
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« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2008, 10:48:07 AM »

I'm off to play some croquet on my sprawling plundered-from-the-indigenous-people-and-tended-to-by-minorities lawn whilst I munch on some cucumber sandwiches, washed down with Pims and lemonade.

u biscuit  Grin hahaha
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« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2008, 10:51:43 AM »

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100149542&GT1=31036

It all becomes clear.  Blacks are more conscious of their health but these guys in this BET tournament are happy to share other black person's illnesses.
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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2008, 11:01:16 AM »

Hey as I said earlier you want a black's only poker tournament, go for it. But when Sharpton calls foul on a white's only poker tournament don't cry if I take him down an alley and.... smack him up side the head with a 9-iron..... What? You think I should use 5-iron maybe? Wink

And besides as Benevolous says the only colour one needs to concern oneself is that whoever plays shows up with lots of their green friends. Jackson, Hamilton, Lincoln. They can take Washington to the strip club. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2008, 11:08:18 AM »

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100149542&GT1=31036

It all becomes clear.  Blacks are more conscious of their health but these guys in this BET tournament are happy to share other black person's illnesses.

Allllriiighty then...  blink

SG - Dude. Why is it so hard to understand that historically anything that has involved whites has excluded blacks. Without even having to say 'White _______' it was a white function dude. No blacks allowed. And people weren't even trynna be nice about it. Double standard? Maybe. But necessarily, or at least understandably so.  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2008, 11:18:51 AM »

http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100149542&GT1=31036

It all becomes clear.  Blacks are more conscious of their health but these guys in this BET tournament are happy to share other black person's illnesses.
Allllriiighty then...  blink

SG - Dude. Why is it so hard to understand that historically anything that has involved whites has excluded blacks. Without even having to say 'White _______' it was a white function dude. No blacks allowed. And people weren't even trynna be nice about it. Double standard? Maybe. But necessarily, or at least understandably so.  Wink
My link was an attempt at levity....breathe, breathe.
As for the rest of your post...is this the Government attitude of you did it to us so we're doing it to you?? Lol.
We understand that segregation happened and was inexcusable. I'm sure some disagree but we don't live in those times anymore so your post is moot.
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2008, 11:19:27 AM »

SG - Dude. Why is it so hard to understand that historically anything that has involved whites has excluded blacks. Without even having to say 'White _______' it was a white function dude. No blacks allowed.

I understand and agree with what you're saying. However, the above statement
is bullshit when it comes to poker. Throughout history, if you could find a card game and bring money to the table, you were in, regardless of colour. Why? Because money talks. Good players (sharks) want bad players or "fish" at the table because they want to take their money. It doesn't matter now and didnt matter a hundred years ago what your complexion was, as long as you brought the green to the table.
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2008, 11:25:18 AM »

Hey, points taken. I wasn't limiting the scope of my comments to poker. I was referring to events across the board, including BET, which someboy brought up as an inappropriate/offensive/divisive use of the term BLACK Entertainment Television.

It's all good though. When it comes to poker, yeah... the only colour that matter is Green. And I'd be happy to take anybodys money in a game of Texas Hold'em.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2008, 11:27:32 AM »

CO - I think you need to get with Benevolous on this one... it is in effect rather goofy that anyone would put restrictions on a poker game. The only time one sees it is when it comes to how much cash you can bring to the table. Hence High-Rollers don't waste their time with the Cheap-Stakes.

But as I said I have no problem with BET doing it. Just glad to see they have a couple of token women at the table..... Wink
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2008, 11:28:59 AM »

Oops... cross-posts. Texas Hold'em eh? Time and place, I think you'll get quite a few takers.... Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2008, 11:29:53 AM »

Hey, points taken. I wasn't limiting the scope of my comments to poker. I was referring to events across the board, including BET, which someboy brought up as an inappropriate/offensive/divisive use of the term BLACK Entertainment Television.

It's all good though. When it comes to poker, yeah... the only colour that matter is Green. And I'd be happy to take anybodys money in a game of Texas Hold'em.

CO - you got no chance...I would check-raise my grandmother!
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« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2008, 11:30:41 AM »

Oops... cross-posts. Texas Hold'em eh? Time and place, I think you'll get quite a few takers.... Smiley

Now you know we can't talk like that in here SG... I meant to say a rousing game of Texas Hold'em bingo. We all know gambling is illegal!!!!  Wink
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