SG - you are much kinder than me - Toto - you are an imbecile! THe only reason you have come on here is because you wanted to apologize because you 'didnt think it was gonna go this big'.  So - if it hadnt gone this big you wouldnt have been sorry. You are pathetic. That $10 was an entertainment expense to you, an amount left over in your pocket after a night out with friends. Just consider how much more that $10 was worth to Keith in order for him to sell even more of his dignity to pleasure you and your buffoon entourage. You went home afterwards and posted your pathetic video to boast how clever you were, maybe you had a snack before going to a warm comfortable bed. Keith probably went to feed an addiction then sleep in someone's door way (most likely the post office - his usual spot). I know his circumstances are largely the result of choices he has made in life, but so are yours. IN future choose not to be stupid, if you wanna help the guy - buy him a sandwich!!

You need help. You want to show your sorrow - go and volunteer at the salvation army shelter or make these guys a meal and deliver it to them in the street. Video tape that and put it on facebook. Your acts of kindness will get and warrant more attention than your acts of stupidity.

Im done on this one.

Rummies twooooo sents.......................

Yah did'nt video the damage yah deid too the green at Mid Ocean did you? Think eye have sean that "PPL" somewhere before....................

Nah dunt gatt ya knickers hin ah tweest.......all in jest..............

Just out of curiosity Piglet (I'm a Registered Nurse not a police officer - so I do stand to be corrected here) but isn't this disgusting incident some sort of transgression of the law? a crime?... under the public order act or something? If it is, then surely the video is evidence of the act of the crime being committed?

I'm not sure at all about this but I am sure that if something like this came to light, in the UK or Canada, the newspapers would have a field day with it and there would be calls for these men low-lives to be held to account in a court of law with a call for some form of reparation other than just a feeble "sorry" (which only means "sorry we were caught") - something akin to a fine, community service or both... Certainly it's the victim (not the readers of BermudaSucks) who deserves to hear the apology from toto and his fellow transgressors of common human compassion...

Following along those lines for a moment... would "well everyone else does it" be a valid defense in a court of law if the crime committed was a more recognizable one... such as video-taping a burglary in progress? Would there be more outrage if the perpetrators of the abuse were tourists or ex-pats rather than Bermudian "youf?"

I remember Keith - I had several dealings with him in my professional capacity on Somers admission ward at St Brendan's Hospital and in my personal opinion he is a nice man who is more a "victim" of his circumstances rather than a "conspirator." Nevertheless, no fellow human being should be subject to this type of de-humanising abuse and ritualistic (and I do mean ritualistic) behaviour from anyone...

Alas, it also reflects badly to some extent upon us all (either primarily as parents or even as peers.) What degree of separation is there between the moral lassitude of condoning this behaviour by virtual inaction and then being outraged by the behaviour which was meted out to Iraqui POWs by American soldiers... did those soldiers think it was OK to do what they did because "everyone else was doing it?" Perhaps, they too, grew up as teenagers in a society where filming this human "bear-baiting" was merely considered to be "youf" having its high-spirited fling...

People may say... "Oh this was their one mistake..." yeah, it was the one time they got caught and identified... but I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this behaviour was not the result of some evil inverted epiphany that came to them in a flash - some instantaneous act of insanity brought about by over-indulgence of alcohol, it was planned with malice aforethought, probably rehearsed on several previous occasions prior to this one... this time they thought they would "perfect" the routine and film it - and then splash it on the internet to show how clever they were... They took along a video recorder - to do what? These guys knew what they were doing - it was cold and calculated and a sad reflection on OUR sick modern society - not just Bermuda's...



SevenT

Mabe in the court of public opinion Smokes. It's just another attempt by the younger generation of 'attention'. It's sad that this has come to pass but what can one expect. I guess it boils down to "attention" and this is where we are heading.

Such is the internet. No real communication, verbal or confrontation. Just put it there and see 'reaction'.

The old days were'nt the best but mabe they were. Sorta like pushing that 'button' we discussed sometime ago.

Reality is, pushing it is in your egostistical favour or not worrying about what will really transpire.

The furure holds the key too today, it's how you unlock it................................

I'm sure many of you won't agree with me on this but when Keith asked for the guys to buy him 'something to smoke' couldn't he be seen as begging under the law? And therefore guilty of disorderly conduct in public?

Taken from Bda. Laws:
SUMMARY OFFENCES ACT 1926
Disorderly conduct in public street
9 (1) Any person who, in any public street, highway or thoroughfare—
          (a) begs or attempts to obtain alms

What did they thow at him? Never having seen this video, I wonder wwhere all draw their conclusions.

As for your comment Drew, that is neither here nor there. In a way it makes you wonder but the offence as you state has to be "found committing". Your not a Police Officer, you have no power of arrest. You would have to make a formal complaint and the summons served.

It's not as easy as it looks. I get your point but there are limitations and laws that govern this .

Next time someone asks you for a dollar for a cup of coffee, rethink your comments. Powers of arrest apply to Police and the PUBLIC............just depends if they are Summary, Indictaable et al.............

my two rums..............................

And Rummy, I understand what you are saying - I just wanted to point out that the obvious illegality (if thats what you want to call it) wasn't done by the 'youf' but rather by Keith...well, to me at least. And when you say "next time someone asks you for a dollar for a cup of coffee, rethink your comments" I don't think they will be 'attempting to obtain alms' in such an instance but again, point taken.

I saw the video and when it started, they were calling him over and as they did they threw things at him, not sure what they were but it struck me that they were coins or something small anyway.  Being homeless and sleeping as a vagrant is no longer illegal (wandering abroad as it was called).  However, clearly some trespass when they sleep for example in the parks which get locked at night time or on the library patio with a 'No loitering' sign, they are arrestable there too.
Keith did not beg in the video but by them calling him over and speaking to him and asking him to do something, I would argue that if they asked him to do push ups and he asked for $10 to do them, the effectively employed him under contract similar to paying someone to paint your house.  Also, Charles Richardson about 2 years ago got Jinx off a begging charge by successfully arguing that lifestyle had to be proven and that reputation was not applicable as proof.  Not too complicated but I can't be bothered getting into it, basically case law and goes to the scenario someone just mentioned of me bumming $10 'cos I forgot my wallet even though I have funds available just not to hand.  So now to prove a case of begging, statements need to be taken from witnesss and lifestyle has to be proved...nonsense.