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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2008, 03:54:26 PM »

Apparently this "Keith" was being used. End of story. As for your last sentence Blah Blah.....Lifestyles has nothing to do with begging. You may percieve that as most are indoctranated into believing it.

The video and begging are two seperate things. Asking for help has nothing to do with begging. Being exploited is..............when you realise the differance the world as you know it will no longer exist..... Smiley
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2008, 04:04:42 PM »

Just keeping everybody on their toe's! Different views often make you wonder, and I was just trying to get people see it from a different view point. Let's just be glad this whole mess seems to be over...
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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2008, 04:06:06 PM »

Apparently this "Keith" was being used. End of story. As for your last sentence Blah Blah.....Lifestyles has nothing to do with begging. You may percieve that as most are indoctranated into believing it.

The video and begging are two seperate things. Asking for help has nothing to do with begging. Being exploited is..............when you realise the differance the world as you know it will no longer exist..... Smiley
Rummy..trust me, I know what I'm talking about.  My last sentence is a reality, go ask Magistrates court my friend.  When you worked here, not necessary, but you know how case law works (or should); Richardson set a precedent with the Jinx case and now police must cover the extra evidence to prove a charge of begging, END Of STORY.
Some posted the offence of begging earlier, I suggest you read it.  While there is a subtle distinction between asking for help and begging, asking for and obtaining money or alms (anything physical really) is classed as begging, but of course there are mitigating factors.  I can go to a house and ask for $10 as I've run out of petrol and am going to walk to the gas station and fill my can.  I'm a working man with the ability to pay back and the intention of paying back even if I don't say I will.  If the householder gives me the money whether on condition of repayment or not, the offence of begging is technically complete, however, am I going to bet arrested for it if it is done in earshot of a police officer?  I would hope not, hence the need for the lifestyle proof.

I'm not sure what your point about being used is and all I'll say is this; at some times we're all used or are capable of being used.  In Keith's situation, $10 was an acceptable price for him to humiliate himself (although I'm also fairly sure he didn't feel humiliated due to the lifestyle he's lived for many years).  Someone wants me to do something humiliating and offers me a significant sum, I'll probably enter into that verbal contract too.  END Of STORY.
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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2008, 04:07:38 PM »

Good day readers of Bermudaucks.com.

Firstly i would like to express my confussion in the logic of this discussion. Many of this forum's contributers have shared there emotions on a video posted on facebook (and tagge to specific ppl on facebook, not for all to see) that belittles Kieth, who is known locally as a vagrant.  Many of u have shown disgust in wake of this incident, but my question to you is, Is this any worse than a site called "BermudaSucks.com" which is belittling my whole country and its inhabitants with just its title?  If not, i suspect that someone will inform me that "not everything in this site is about bermuda sucking." I advise you ppl to take that same approach while lookin into the life of a good friend of mine, Antonio Belvedere.

I would also like to point out the vicious verbal lashing on Antonio by the person known as "terry cloth."  This person appears to be either the Pope, an Arch-Bishop, or just holier than every one else in this forum.  The attitude you have expressed is not unlike the actions for which you are criticising Antonio.  I would like to remind you to think on your asinine decisions before you jump so dramatically down the throat of another.  Obviously you are a hypocrat. I say this because I know that none of us are perfect, therefore you CANNOT tell us that your life has been without error.  I advise you to think before you speak. How many times has your mother told you not to judge? If not her, than someone has mentioned it to u. We have all heard and said this, "dont judge ppl" yet many of us do not practice this. further more Terry Cloth, you, and others have continued to batter Antonio after his apology, instead of accepting it and offering advice on perhaps a different optionon for ways to entertain ones friends.  Does this make you better than Antonio? You seem to believe it does. Fortunately for the world you are mistaken.  I believe that a person who judges a man based on one encounter is an idiot.

Piglet also replied to someone by saying "are you missing the big picture?" i believe EVERYONE who has contributed to this forum is missing the "Big Picture."  Wat is it really? Is it the fact that Antonio and some friends were disrespectful to Kieth?  No, take another step back, zoom out and look again. The picture is FAR bigger. I present to you a portion  of this picture. There is a problem in Bermuda with vagrancy. There is no doubt that Antonio is at fault for making the video, but he has accepted his responsibility and apologized like a man. This quality is very admirable and hard to find these days. But who is to blame for kieth being a vagrant? It must be realized that no such videos would exist without the subject.  It is Kieth's fault that he is in the position he is in.  We as adults should know to make careful decisions as they are life altering.  Kieth must do as Antonio and accept his responsibility not only in his fault for his life, but also his responsibility in society.  Please do not misunderstand me, i want the best for Kieth, I honestly want the best for EVERYONE.  I would like to take this opportunity to propse a possible solution, or inat least a step towards a solution to the issue of vagrancy.  Someone earlier metioned in what appeered to be a joking matter that the Bermuda Regiment should recruit Kieth. I believe that is the way to go, not only for kieth but for vagrants generally.  They should be recruited and trained to be permanent staff. It would provide them with food, shelter, discipline, medical care and restroom facilities.  These are luxuries they have lost due to thier decisions.
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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2008, 04:33:23 PM »

Drew,

BlahBlah is right there is specific case law to prove begging in Bermuda. What he says about provng habitual beeging and lifestyle is true - it started with Jinks and was re-affirmed in a case with Sonny. All true.

And a Police Officer does not have to enforce all always all the time - he or she has discretion - clearly without such there wuld be all sorts of issues!

There are many issues ongoing here - the least important being a homeless person asking (begging) for money - the real issues are how he was treated.

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« Reply #50 on: March 29, 2008, 04:35:56 PM »

I advise you ppl to take that same approach while lookin into the life of a good friend of mine, Antonio Belvedere.

Christ toto/Antonio you really are pathetic... do you really think you are fooling anyone here by logging on with a false persona and trying to take the heat off yourself? You are not the first drip to try that stunt (remember tigga anyone?) you could at least have tried to write in English if you were trying to convince us you were not one and the same person...

You just compounded your guilt...


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« Reply #51 on: March 29, 2008, 04:37:40 PM »

Whats your point really. You seem to have outed someone. Huh Shocked High, my name is Terry and I wish I could be your server................
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« Reply #52 on: March 29, 2008, 04:46:36 PM »

There are many issues ongoing here - the least important being a homeless person asking (begging) for money - the real issues are how he was treated.

Too fricking right Piglet... I'm gob-smacked that it is being suggested, by people who should know much better, that somehow the victim in this atrocity is culpable for what happened?... is this the attitude that promotes the view that rape victims somehow "asked for it?"

Incredulous attitudes...


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« Reply #53 on: March 29, 2008, 04:47:14 PM »

And the 'pink ties' just sat in the back of the bus................Dahhhhhhhaaaaaaa dunce
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« Reply #54 on: March 29, 2008, 04:52:16 PM »

And the 'pink ties' just sat in the back of the bus................Dahhhhhhhaaaaaaa dunce

I've honestly got no idea what this means Rummy - perhaps it might be wise to dispense with the hyperbole when dealing with a serious subject such as this and speak in plain terms...



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« Reply #55 on: March 29, 2008, 04:53:31 PM »

"Someone earlier metioned in what appeered to be a joking matter that the Bermuda Regiment should recruit Kieth. I believe that is the way to go, not only for kieth but for vagrants generally.  They should be recruited and trained to be permanent staff. It would provide them with food, shelter, discipline, medical care and restroom facilities.  These are luxuries they have lost due to thier decisions."

Finally someone gets my sense of humour..... might I also suggest you march your buddy Antonio up there with Keith as well. He could certainly use some valuable life lessons and maybe even a reading & writing course. And on this one.... I'm not joking.

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« Reply #56 on: March 29, 2008, 04:55:06 PM »

Cush,

Before you make too many statements and judgments about this site - maybe YOU should follow your own suggestion and get all the facts and do some research of the site.

At the end of the day it is admirable that you want to try and defend your friend - but all you are really doing is keeping this story alive - you are giving it the oxygen to keep going. The best thing you could do is stop trying to defend what most right thinking people in Bermuda do not think is defensible.

Only time will change peoples views.

I am sure Keith did not choose to be homeless or have the other issues in is life. By the grace of God we all go and hopefully none of us find ourselves in his situation - through choice or otherwise.

At the end of the day the issue here is about how we treat our fellow humans and how we treat people with special needs - Keith was treated wrongly. It is really that simple.

Issues about homelessness, vagrancy, drug abuse aside - even if someone has all of these things they still deserve to be treated with respect. Keith was not treated with respect.

There are homeless people in every city, town and place on this earth – some have extra challenges such as drug addiction and or mental health issues – they still deserve to be treated with respect.

All the other issues are just excuses and have nothing to do with what happened! When you are wrong you are just wrong!

The picture (big and small) here is simple – treat ALL people with respect and how you would want to be treated.

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« Reply #57 on: March 29, 2008, 04:56:17 PM »

And the 'pink ties' just sat in the back of the bus................Dahhhhhhhaaaaaaa dunce

I've honestly got no idea what this means Rummy - perhaps it might be wise to dispense with the hyperbole when dealing with a serious subject such as this and speak in plain terms...



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Then you should read the posts. And yes it's serious, it's up too you to fugue out the "hyperbole"......as for plain terms........who said it would be easy......take up the slack and don't throw it in my face...........................here endeth the lesshion.......
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« Reply #58 on: March 29, 2008, 05:04:20 PM »

What are we/you doing to help Keith? He does not read this site nor have access. This is garbage in my books.............

How many Keiths are there out there in Bermuda? Answer that..then get back.

Tink about it........realy.............
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« Reply #59 on: March 29, 2008, 05:19:55 PM »

What are we/you doing to help Keith? He does not read this site nor have access. This is garbage in my books.............
How many Keiths are there out there in Bermuda? Answer that..then get back.

I'm not even going to grace that question with a direct reply... Although I usually greatly enjoy the disarming nature of your humorous replies to overly serious and pompous posts (even when I don't fully understand them myself) - I don't think it is/was very appropriate on this occasion... and that is just my opinion so feel free to ignore it... you do not need to attempt to justify your faux-pas by questioning (as Piglet so eloquently and appositely emoted just now) the very basic need for people to try to treat each other with a modicum of respect...



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