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2 more road deaths

« on: April 14, 2008, 07:30:29 AM »

Bermuda's road toll now stands at 6 this year, which is 6 too many. The latest deaths were both 30-something men and somewhere there are devastated families today. Please, take a little extra care on the roads.


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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2008, 02:08:00 PM »

Quote from: Reality on April 14, 2008, 07:30:29 AM

Bermuda's road toll now stands at 6 this year, which is 6 too many. The latest deaths were both 30-something men and somewhere there are devastated families today.

Interesting - when I read that Mr. Everett "died ... in the early hours of Saturday after his motorcycle hit a tree", my initial reaction was 'huh, alcohol related, I wouldn't be surprised'.

So, I was very interested to note the following later on in the article: "Mr. Kirk said: 'I would like to mention very strongly that he abhorred drink driving. If this is the case [presumably meaning 'if alcohol is indeed involved here' - JNC], it's out of character for him to get on a motorbike. He would be the one who would tell friends "you're getting a cab tonight"'."

So, because my immediate reaction was 'could have been drunk driving', does that mean I'm prejudiced against people who drive bikes late at night?

And I note that even his friend Mr. Kirk says "If this is the case" - i.e. he's simulatenously admitting the possibility, but keeping an open mind that it might not be.

Dogs, cats, and tails, eh?

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2008, 02:10:35 PM »

No, but it does mean that you were PRE-JUDGING the individual... or at least the situation.


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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2008, 02:11:52 PM »

I actually mentioned this exact scenario the other day, which really gives me the creeps.

I know the guy's father as well, and just feel terrible about this whole thing.


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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2008, 02:50:45 PM »

JNC - Drinking and driving could well have been the cause of the accident. Just maybe not him doing it.

More often than not I imagine there are a lot of people killed by drunk drivers who leave the scene of the crime. With all the cars on the road and the lax enforcement of SUV's and trucks operating after dark, I'm actually very concerned that we may be seeing more and more of that in Bermuda.


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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2008, 03:02:34 PM »

So what you saying Smokes? SUV and trucks could be a culprit? That a very broad brush there friend. Or did I take it out of context. If I did......you still leave yourself open there buddy. Huh


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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2008, 03:03:42 PM »

Quote from: Casual Observer on April 14, 2008, 02:10:35 PM

Quote from: jnc on April 14, 2008, 02:08:00 PM

my initial reaction was 'huh, alcohol related, I wouldn't be surprised'.
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my immediate reaction was 'could have been drunk driving'
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even his friend Mr. Kirk says "If this is the case" - i.e. he's simulatenously admitting the possibility, but keeping an open mind that it might not be.

it does mean that you were PRE-JUDGING the individual... or at least the situation.

But people do things of the form of 'making an initial guess based on minimal amounts of data, while keeping one's mind open to the possibility that that initial impression might be wrong' all the time! (And this happens all the time - remember the thread about not being careful with spelling/grammar posts?) And I made plain that it was just a guess (see emphasis).

What, nobody's supposed to form any kind of impression about anything until there's been a full investigation, and a legal judgement rendered? Nice ideal, but my impression is that human nature doesn't work that way. I'd think it'd be more profitable to work on getting people to keep their minds open, and remember than initial sketchy data/impressions are just that, sketchy (and often wrong).

Quote from: SmokingGun on April 14, 2008, 02:50:45 PM

Drinking and driving could well have been the cause of the accident. Just maybe not him doing it.

Excellent point...

Noel


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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2008, 03:09:58 PM »

Hey easy there Jnc. I did'nt say it was'nt an excellant point. Jingus man........thats one sided. Shocked


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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2008, 03:15:55 PM »

It must be difficult being a Police Officer or an accident investigator in Bermuda. Where do you start? Your not allowed to make assumptions, you can't use your gut feelings. I would think that anyone investigating such an unfortunate accident their first thought would be alcohol, and quite rightly who.


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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2008, 03:18:57 PM »

JJ - a seasoned Police Officer always goes with his/her gut. Fortunately for us he/she's has a brain that's been filled first.


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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2008, 03:28:01 PM »

"I imagine there are a lot of people killed by drunk drivers who leave the scene of the crime." I feel that, nowadays, leaving the scene of a traffic accident (particularly late at night) would be the norm, not the exception. I've seen it too many times... a driver dents or scrapes another car's bumper while parking and takes off as if nothing has happened. And door dents, well... who gives a shit about them, 'that's nothin'...? Know how much they want to repaint your bumber...? Plenty!! People seem to be emulating the Gu'mint in regard to entitlement and absolving themselves of responsibility for their actions. This country is going down the tubes even faster than I though.... Angry


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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2008, 03:30:18 PM »

Quote from: Rummy on April 14, 2008, 03:09:58 PM

I did'nt say it was'nt an excellant point. Jingus man........thats one sided.

You're getting too subtle for literal-minded old me - that one almost went straight over my forehead... :-)

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2008, 03:45:09 PM »

YO!!! Umsubee....there's a differance betwen a 'scratch' on your shinny little piece of the rock and a road death..........................deal with it buddy. Shocked


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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 03:54:29 PM »

Quote from: jnc on April 14, 2008, 03:30:18 PM

Quote from: Rummy on April 14, 2008, 03:09:58 PM

I did'nt say it was'nt an excellant point. Jingus man........thats one sided.

You're getting too subtle for literal-minded old me - that one almost went straight over my forehead... :-)

Noel

Apparently it did not. Literal is what it is................lateral...another story. Then again, up is up and "UPS' depends on the day......I'm better off with just another day.........


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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2008, 08:10:46 PM »

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here again.

I do not believe that any of the 6 deaths on our road so far this year would have occured if people were allowed to buy and hire cars.

Millions of dollars are spent every year by car companies to make cars safer.

At the speeds people drive in Bermuda, with the advances made in car safety, nobody should die on our roads.

Bermuda has the highest death rate (per capita) in the western world!

And virtually everyone that dies on Bermuda's roads dies on two wheels.

Is getting to work half an hour faster really worth the death of 13 people a year?

Two wheels bad, four wheels good - E. A. Blair.

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