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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2008, 03:46:49 PM »

I believe it is a medieval custom, indoors, if visiting knights had there visors down it was a sign of aggression possible attack, if the visor was up they were friendly. This translated into hats.

I must admit i like the translation, imagine walking into a restraunt sitting down with your hat on, while everyone is watching you waiting for the brawl to start. I mentioned parents because most people don't question the customs or sayings they pass to us resulting in generations with narrow minded thinking.

You usally get  people saying "its always been that way" or "it was good enough for my father"

Open your mind people!!

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2008, 03:57:48 PM »

Agree to some extent on the "customs" thing but jingus........

The Knights of the round table are dead. Imagine Harley Hog Dudes sitting down at a resturant with their helmets on.........or even in Bermuda. Uncomfortable? Yes. Silly? Yes.........

Same would/could apply to Ladies wearing hats in Church. It's an excepted tradition but slightly off canter when it comes to grubs and a baseball hat.

Opinions.....Like belly buttons...some stick out, some are concave, some are just what they are.....belly buttons.........
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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2008, 03:58:23 PM »

I believe it is a medieval custom, indoors, if visiting knights had there visors down it was a sign of aggression possible attack, if the visor was up they were friendly. This translated into hats.

I must admit i like the translation, imagine walking into a restraunt sitting down with your hat on, while everyone is watching you waiting for the brawl to start. I mentioned parents because most people don't question the customs or sayings they pass to us resulting in generations with narrow minded thinking.

You usally get  people saying "its always been that way" or "it was good enough for my father"

Open your mind people!!

Rimme

Whilst that's almost certainly apocryphal, it does remind me of a legal tradition that is absolutely accurate: we Barristers do not shake hands with our fellow Barristers. Ever. The reasoning is that, as the tradition of shaking hands emerged from the need to demonstrate that a person was not carrying a weapon in his hands, a person of such ethics as a Barrister should never have to demonstrate such a thing!
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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2008, 04:00:34 PM »

hmmmmm.... I thought it was to stop the spread of germs.... Wink
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« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2008, 04:02:59 PM »

I think to abadon a custom just because it has no literal function in todays world is sad.  It's the little things like table manners, not wearing your hat inside (if male), holding doors open, helping someone to put a coat on even if they don't really need it, the list goes on and on but my befuddled brain can't be bothered to process, that lubricate our society.  It's about respect for a another human being.  I still remember my Granddad, who would never go out without a hat, would lift his hat as he walked by a lady and would tip it if he walked past a man.  If a funeral passed he would stand still, remove his hat and hold it at his chest and lower his head until the funeral had passed right by.

My father-in-law always come to my car door with me even though I am more than capable of getting in all by myself.

It's just basic good manners and we have lost far too many of the and i think it is one of the reasons we have become a much less gentile society.  I, for one, have tried to instill these manners in my family.  I have to say though, the hairy children are not doing so well!

Sorry about the poor sentences.  End of a long day...
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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2008, 04:05:13 PM »

BTW - Slayton has had his picture taken hatless when in the company of certain dignitaries. Maybe it's just a "supremacy" thing. Maybe Bermudians and Brits are just plebs as far as he's concerned.
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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2008, 04:16:29 PM »


- You usually get  people saying "its always been that way" or "it was good enough for my father"


One thing my mother taught me was that when a man and a woman are walking together along a pavement/sidewalk it always the "Gentleman" who walks on the outside - nearest the road... I took it as rote and thereafter did as a "Gentleman" was supposed to do when walking along with a Lady...

I was quite tickled to find out that the custom dates from Tudor times when town dwellings were built quite close together and the upper stories used to overhang the street below - which also doubled as an open sewer... people in the bedrooms would occasionally open wide their windows and (carelessly) eject the contents of their "goesunders" or "piss-pots" into the street/open sewer below giving rise to quite a splash of sewage... If you walked on the "inside" of the sidewalk/pavement you had the double protection from being under the projection of the upper floors and, of course, the extra distance from the offending matter hurtling into the street below... On the other hand the poor unfortunate who was nearest the road had the double hazard of being splashed from the side or - and far worse - having the contents of the chamber-pot emptied directly onto his head... Hence it was the Gentlemanly "thing" ensure the Lady was at all times sheltered whatever the risk to the man...

Incidentally... the occupants of the upper stories were sometimes thoughtful enough to shout a warning before emptying their pots... They used to shout "L'eau' which was French for "The water" which the uneducated working classes mis-heard as "l'oo" or "loo" which is the origin of the term that describes the washroom as the "loo" - as in "Gor' blimey guv, where's your loo, I'm dying for a pee!!"

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2008, 04:26:37 PM »

I was once told that the gentlemanly thing to do was to have the lady walk on your right arm, as your sword was on your left hip.  Made sense to me at the time, but I like your version better.
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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2008, 04:40:22 PM »



Whilst that's almost certainly apocryphal, it does remind me of a legal tradition that is absolutely accurate: we Barristers do not shake hands with our fellow Barristers. Ever. The reasoning is that, as the tradition of shaking hands emerged from the need to demonstrate that a person was not carrying a weapon in his hands, a person of such ethics as a Barrister should never have to demonstrate such a thing!
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You bring up a good point Loki. The pen is mightier than the sword. Well....it used to be. You Barristers or Barristas have found a more formidable weapon. The 'Smite Button'.

The reason why you don't shake hands is preceicly why Rev. Wright states what he did......you know that if you do, you will get aids..........

Well, ole L.B. Evans shook a lot of hands including mine.....................you be the judge.......
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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2008, 04:45:46 PM »

I was once told that the gentlemanly thing to do was to have the lady walk on your right arm, as your sword was on your left hip.  Made sense to me at the time, but I like your version better.

True, but that the 'olden days'. If you carry a 9mm on your right side, whats the protocol? I mean...whats a man suppose to do?

What if...you have a 'ankle gun'.? Are you suppose to crawl next to your date, wife, girlfriend, mother-in-law.....?

Answer too all the above.....just be a Gentleman in all circumstances and everyday life.


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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2008, 06:29:50 AM »

This is where I am able to contradict sevenT, as I am with The D on why men walk on the outside of the pavement/sidewalk.

I also get to contradict him with his explanation of L'eau, as allegedly what was shouted was "gardyloo" a corruption of the French phrase gardez l'eau (or maybe: Garde de l'eau!) loosely translated as "watch out for the water!") which was used in medieval times.

(I did have a better explanation for the second paragraph, but it takes me about 10 attempts to get into the site, and even though I am in, I still get kicked out when trying to read topics. Any chance of login in to post is a waste of time.)
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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2008, 06:46:59 AM »

7T's version is what i was actuallly brought up on - my dad always insisted on walking on the outside of the pavement.  I think there was also the version about mad car drivers hitting him first in the event that the car swerved up onto the pavement - it would hit him first before the wife and kiddiewinks.
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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2008, 11:52:17 AM »

I thought gentlemen walk on the outside of the sidewalk so if a car goes through a puddle the man gets splashed and not the lady  innocent That's what I was taught. 
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2008, 12:23:49 PM »

I thought gentlemen walk on the outside of the sidewalk so if a car goes through a puddle the man gets splashed and not the lady  innocent That's what I was taught. 

Yoo lutt got it all wrong, every last one of you. Men walk next to the 'curb' or whatever only because they carry a wallet or a side purse. They let the women walk nearest the inside or the buildings because they carry a purse. That way, when someone jumps out of a dark alley or even in daylight they can easily grab the purse and escape..... Grin Wink

This is true really in the inner cities like New York et al but quite the opposite. I always walk on the inside so as to lesson the chances of this. Very few women in this day and age will walk next to a building, most walk 'the curb'.  Wink

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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2008, 01:23:12 PM »

Me - i'll walk whatever is closest to the shops! makes sense of course. Kiss
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