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« on: April 21, 2008, 07:32:17 AM »

How much were these two U.S. experts paid by Government to focus the blame for perpetuating racism on "the media"?

Doesn't this RG article smack of the Doctors saying exactly what the public wants to hear?  Blaming "structural inequality" is a nebulous way to take the responsibility away from the individual and make it somebody else's problem.

Make the people feel better, but accomplish nothing.  Sounds like it is serving another agenda...  Lips Sealed
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 08:55:09 AM »

I would hardly call them experts.  Both were probably hand picked for their views, as was Professor Jensen who spoke during one of the Big Conversations last year.  I would love to have Jensen invited back for a "conversation" on his views of religion - and invite all the church folks to that one.

It's the season to blame the media, or actually the RG is particular... we all know that. 

Also want to note that Thaao was on the air this morning calling the petition for the removal of the Queen's Birthday holiday a "black and white thing".  I don't recall the RG making the issue racial.  Thaao says the signers of the petition "all white names".   Wonder if his clairvoyance can also determine the race of the anonymous petitioners. 

http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?sectionId=70&articleId=7d54a0e3003001b

I guess one of the "white names" must be Dickinson.  It's too bad Thaao cannot see that names come in all colours. 

So much for the "media" being unbiased.  Maybe this is an example of what the Professors were talking about...


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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 09:16:22 AM »

grats - that's not actually what i said. it's a clunky ham and eggs summation that is inaccurate enough to be completely misleading.

what i said was, the pro-queen's bday facebook group(s) membership is largely white and that i THINK the petitioners who are upset about the holiday change based on a desire to maintain a colonial relationship are white. could be wrong, but all anecdotal/hard indicators i've come across so far bear that out to be true.

now, i believe this to be significant 'cause it demonstrates quite forcibly the different attitude that the different races have towards the monarchy here on island. my experience is that black folk connect the queen with colonialism and as such with the sharp end of arbitrary imperalism i.e. slavery; therefore, it's not a relationship they spend a lot of time celebrating, y'know?

generally speaking, white folk don't have that same attributive sequence, because of an entirely different p.o.v. towards the issue of colonialism.

as such, like i said, i can understand why there are legitimate reasons that the attitude towards the queen would be different for white brothers/sisters, but what bugs me is that they can't seem(based on the pro-colonialists p.o.v. as it's been presented)understand why black folk have just as valid reasons to feel differently about what the relationship means. y'see?

i really do appreciate you listening to the show, but if you're gonna quote me PLEASE do it accurately. seems like i annoy you on general principle, but there's no need to massage what i've said to suit your pre-conceived notions about why i bugs ya. it's textbook circular reasoning, dude. un-kosher.

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2008, 09:17:34 AM »

White and Black names?

Hmmmm....

Tucker?
Butterfield?
Smith?

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2008, 09:22:13 AM »

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How much were these two U.S. experts paid by Government to focus the blame for perpetuating racism on "the media"?

Doesn't this RG article smack of the Doctors saying exactly what the public wants to hear?  Blaming "structural inequality" is a nebulous way to take the responsibility away from the individual and make it somebody else's problem.

Make the people feel better, but accomplish nothing.  Sounds like it is serving another agenda...  Lips Sealed


i can kinda see why you'd feel that way, but if you finish the thought, changing structural inequality obviously all comes back to personal responsibility. there have to be systemic shifts in how false/regressive racial assumptions are formed/presented, but it's up to us to parse this slanted data properly and constantly question our own individual interpretations of stuff that is...let's say, accidentally racist.

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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 09:25:47 AM »

White and Black names?

Hmmmm....

Tucker?
Butterfield?
Smith?



Sarah?
Emily?
Tamisha?

Not to say that it's all cut and dried in every case, but there are quite a good number that aren't really ambiguous...  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2008, 09:33:22 AM »

Touche...

I was obviously thinking just last names.......


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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2008, 09:36:46 AM »

the petitioners who are upset about the holiday change based on a desire to maintain a colonial relationship

I really thought they kind of blew it in the wording of the petition, focusing it so strongly on the whole 'respect for the Queen' aspect. I looked at it, and decided not to sign it, because I wasn't really in tune with that vibe (because I like it because it's a Bermuda tradition). I wonder if they'd have gotten more signers if they had taken a different tone in the wording?

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2008, 09:42:08 AM »

I vote we have a public holiday without any 'isms' for the day...... Wink....

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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2008, 09:45:31 AM »

the petitioners who are upset about the holiday change based on a desire to maintain a colonial relationship

I really thought they kind of blew it in the wording of the petition, focusing it so strongly on the whole 'respect for the Queen' aspect. I looked at it, and decided not to sign it, because I wasn't really in tune with that vibe (because I like it because it's a Bermuda tradition). I wonder if they'd have gotten more signers if they had taken a different tone in the wording?

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jnc - I think they would have. I'd rather have the holiday in June as well, for purely selfish reasons (as would probably a lot of Bermudians). However, the wording and whole loyalist tone of the intro gave me the heebie-jeebies and was a huge deterrent for me. Given the fact that I refused to stand or sing 'God Save The Queen' as a high-school student, there's a snowballs chance in hell of me signing anything about respect and homage to the Queen  Wink.
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2008, 09:46:02 AM »

It's the season to blame the media, or actually the RG is particular... we all know that. 

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Yes, the RG is to blame for falling academic results at Berkeley since ca. 1980. Oh, wait, it's the legacy of slavery and/or legal segregation/discrimination. Yup, all during those decades of the 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s, when Berkeley was going from strength to strength academically, the full impact of the past hadn't hit yet.
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To be serious for a moment, as long as the focus seems to be trying to find someone to blame, it's no wonder people aren't very interested. Perhaps if 'black Bermuda' were more obviously being painfully self-critical (and there are some, I know, whom I salute for their intestinal fortitude), 'white Bermuda' might be more receptive to following that example, and be willing to look more critically at their own faults.

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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2008, 09:53:20 AM »

the petitioners who are upset about the holiday change based on a desire to maintain a colonial relationship

I really thought they kind of blew it in the wording of the petition, focusing it so strongly on the whole 'respect for the Queen' aspect. I looked at it, and decided not to sign it, because I wasn't really in tune with that vibe (because I like it because it's a Bermuda tradition). I wonder if they'd have gotten more signers if they had taken a different tone in the wording?

Noel


that's definitely possible. however, i do know folk who've signed the petition just because they prefer june for any number of completely sensible, practical reasons(dinghy race/family vacations/unofficial start to summer/etc.). like you said, though, that's not the argument being presented.

and honestly, to be clear, it's not really something worth...arguing about, y'know? it's more something to note, the different attitudes that are demarcated along racial lines for pretty obvious reasons; so obvious, that you can quite easily miss the forest for the trees, or...let's say, the roots for the fruit.

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2008, 09:57:05 AM »

I am white and like many others I chose not to sign this petition based on the monarchist wording which I cannot agree with.  I am pretty sure that there are many others who have made the same decision and any others who want to keep a June long weekend and have decided to sign it even though they don't agree with the wording.

Thaao,

I haven't seen the facebook group but if it looks to be a white thing I would not be surprised.  Rightly or wrongly white Bermudians tend to read betweeen the lines when the government makes these kind of attacks on the old ways; seeing them as an attack on their own heritage.  That said, can't Bermudians of all races agree that trading a June holiday featuring, among other things, long-standing Comet and Dinghy racing mainstay events for an October holiday when such events could not be held would be a tragedy?  Would you be willing to hold a discussion on your show about the possibility of holding National Heroes Day in June?  
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2008, 09:57:27 AM »

black folk connect the queen with colonialism and as such with the sharp end of arbitrary imperalism i.e. slavery

PS: This is kind of ironic, given the real history, in which UK abolitionists took the lead in delegitimizing slavery on a moral basis, and starting to get rid of slavery (which had been a constant in the world, all over, since the dawn of recorded history - try reading about the Peloponnessian War, and how the standard response of those dead white males to conquering another Greek city was often to enslave the inhabitants and sell them); and the Royal Navy was the principal actor in suppressing the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.

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why black folk have just as valid reasons to feel differently about what the relationship means. y'see?

Seems to me this is as much 'anything white is bad' as anything else.

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2008, 10:02:21 AM »

jnc - Well, considering we're a British colony, I'd kinda expect that the Abolitionists would be British. And call me a skeptic, but I don't think that the UK suddenly grew a moral backbone and decided to crusaders against slavery... especially since they managed to resurrect suppression and social and economic slavery in the form of colonialism... More like they felt threatened by the US's economic and emerging international dominance, both of which was dependent upon slave labour.

But that's a story for another day.  Wink
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