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« Reply #435 on: May 10, 2008, 02:08:05 PM »

"Imagine if the UBP were going to run Tony Brannon and the PLP had put his mug up in the same way. Do you don't think people would have seen it as a racial issue?"

There - fixed it for me. Don't do double negatives......

Noel - I guess lugging a Dell around would just be showing off..... Wink
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« Reply #436 on: May 10, 2008, 02:15:18 PM »

OK - so I got me a Thaao-saurus and I had a go at trying to translate some of the Senator's theories. Here's what I have summarised:

1: Black people must realize that they have been white-washed and in turn must strive to forever live their lives in the historical context of the injustice of slavery. Whether they like it or not.

2: White people must remember to live each day of their lives forever shackled with the black stain of slavery. Whether they like it or not.

3: People of mixed heritage or any other race are irrelevant. Except that because they are not white they must always vote PLP. Whether they like it or not.

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« Reply #437 on: May 10, 2008, 02:20:48 PM »

 4: White people who listen to Hott Radio are UBP bashers undercover....... Slap
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« Reply #438 on: May 10, 2008, 05:28:30 PM »

so I got me a Thaao-saurus

Cooll! Would that one be from the Jury-assic, or the Try-assic? :-)

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« Reply #439 on: May 11, 2008, 03:43:13 PM »

   Smokes, your part 3 of the reply a few posts above is much, much on the money. The people who don't fit into the bicameral black-white thing are conveniently ignored - at least from my point of view which, admittedly, is that of a Bermudian who's lived away for a long time. I keep a very close eye on Bermuda being a media kind of guy though.
    I don't know a damn thing about Thaoo Dill though, beyond what I can read of him in the Gazette online. If anybody'd like to pass on a simple address where I could hear his radio stuff online, cool. Otherwise it's up to me and my dyslexic navigation of this confounded internet thunderbox ...
    I haven't worked properly as a reporter in Bermuda for years. But speaking generally, if I may - just to avoid singling anybody out - sure, there were some of us who were painfully conscious of the lack of a real connection to what was going on in the black community. Some of us went to a lot of effort, far beyond the norm for usual stories, to get good stories on topics that you knew would be of interest to the black community. And of course, I recognise the artificiality of speaking of "the black community", but you know what I mean ... average enough working black Bermudians ... sure, plenty of reporters were painfully aware of a disconnect there, and there was. I tended to get interviews with church people or the elderly. Ya do what you can.
    I don't blame the media. I personally think the Gazette was openly biased against the PLP in the 80s, and a lot of that would translate into an anti-black thing in the simplistic rhetoric ... we could argue over that. But an institutionalised bias against blacks generally still existing in the mainstream Bermudian media ... I don't buy it. The ad with the crosshairs was an unfortunate misunderstanding. Lots of us were very familiar with both parties. It was a screw-up, that's all. Most of the outrage struck me as contrived.
    Recent events in Bermuda sure shake things up media-wise, though. We could use that.
   But you can see the artificiality of the Great Racism Snowball as it rolls in Bermuda nowadays, just in the pointed exclusion of everybody else from the Black White Thing in Bermuda. People can decide whatever they're set on deciding, but you can't stop racial mixing, and I do reckon that the many-shaded Bermudians of the not too faraway future will look back on our frenzied nervousness regarding race and pitying us.
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« Reply #440 on: May 11, 2008, 04:46:41 PM »

People can decide whatever they're set on deciding, but you can't stop racial mixing, and I do reckon that the many-shaded Bermudians of the not too faraway future will look back on our frenzied nervousness regarding race and pitying us.

Reminds me of that old NineTeen-SevenT  Blue Mink song "Melting Pot"

Take a pinch of white man
Wrap him up in black skin
Add a touch of blue blood
And a little bitty bit of red Indian boy

Curly Latin kinkies
Mixed with yellow Chinkees
If you lump it all together
Well, you got a recipe for a get along scene

Oh, what a beautiful dream
If it could only come true, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough to take the world and all it's got
And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score

Rabbis and the friars
Vishnus and the gurus
We got the Beatles or the Sun God
Well, it really doesn't matter what religion you choose
Oh no, no, oooh

And be thankful
Mrs. Graceful
You know that livin' could be tasteful
Ah, we should all get together in a lovin' machine

I think I'll call up the queen
It' s only fair that she knows, you know, you know

What we need is a great big melting pot
Big enough to take the world and all it's got
And keep it stirring for a hundred years or more
And turn out coffee coloured people by the score


I actually thought that was a pretty neat idea to end racism but as the song itself points out you've got to "keep it stirring for a hundred years or more" so, unfortunately, it doesn't look as though it's going to happen in my lifetime - although I did try to do my bit to help the mixing process!

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« Reply #441 on: May 11, 2008, 04:57:14 PM »

Ha ha! Awesome. Ah, god. Yeah, it's an important thing, that racial mixing. Do it for Stephen Jay Gould. Heh ... karma to ya hombre ...
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« Reply #442 on: May 12, 2008, 12:58:23 PM »

"But you can see the artificiality of the Great Racism Snowball as it rolls in Bermuda nowadays, just in the pointed exclusion of everybody else from the Black White Thing in Bermuda. People can decide whatever they're set on deciding, but you can't stop racial mixing, and I do reckon that the many-shaded Bermudians of the not too faraway future will look back on our frenzied nervousness regarding race and pitying us."

And yes it seems some people try to make an art out of it....

K2U Bell for the sentiment is very true. Our great grand children willl look back at us and wonder what the fuss was all about.
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« Reply #443 on: May 12, 2008, 02:59:25 PM »

I'd also say that attitudes among whites today, particularly younger whites, are not remotely like those of whites during and immediately post segregation.  What they do not like is being constantly called racist for not voting for a party which has pretty open told them they don't need them and aren't particularly interested in their views ("learn to live with that" kind of talk).

Thank you very much spin for the above. 

I am a younger white Bermudian, who has not experienced the days of segregation and other disgustingly racist policies.  So when I read the paper and hear the racial rhetoric of the PLP rallies, it is only natural for me to become defensive.  For I do not harbor any untoward feelings to my black Bermudian comrades (at least based on the color of their skin, everyone has people that they can't stand, no matter what color they maybe) and to persistently hear about how racist you are, based on the color of my skin, leads to the inevitable result of me not voting for the party which has already deemed a segment of the population as the enemy (again, this can easily be seen by the comments) based on a bunch of ignorant idiots years before my time.

No one, well at least myself, has never said in any of my posts to simply forget the past, as it is what shapes the future.  But don't judge me because of the past.  Do you honestly expect me (or other whites or my generation) to sit back and take in all this slander and accusations of being racist because of some white people way before my time? 

Would you support a party/institution that always used this language to describe your race?  And because I don't, I am in turn called a racist?  Despite the fact that you have no idea about me,  my past, my friendships or my situation in Bermuda.  And you wonder why the reaction is the way it is from the younger white generation of this island.  I know myself, as well many others, that are simply tired and fed up with being unfairly labelled by this governmentm, due to the past actions of individuals that I never knew.

Before someone says, "Now you know what it feels like" (as is the usual justification for such actions), keep in mind that I (along with the majority of my generation) have NEVER discrimnated against a fellow Bermudian or person based on the color of their skin.   
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« Reply #444 on: May 12, 2008, 03:05:20 PM »

Thaao,

I posted the below on Friday I believe in resopnse to your queries.  Please answer mine in the below.  Thanks for your time Senator.

My apologies, as I have been in meetings all morning and did not see that original post.

LF's comments can easily be interpreted as Shaun Crockwell (aka "confused negro") has betrayed his own and joined the enemy (white people).  Please don't try and spin that, because I know you're not an ignorant individual.  You know exactly what she meant and the effect that it was intended to have on the audience.

How is Mr. Crockwell defending or siding with white people?  Because he agrees with the idealogy of a different party than yours/hers?  So a black individual is automatically predisposed to join the PLP, simply because of their skin pigment?  Should they not be able to decide on their own accord where their political ideaology/support, regardless of background, is best suited?

LF's subliminal meanings of her speech was that (as I and others can easily interpret), "you will be considered a traitor by your black brothers/sisters if you support any other political agenda that isn't put forward by the PLP." 

Lastly, how is at the expense of their own community?  What would happen to black Bermudians if a black Bermudian joined, supported and was a member of the UBP?  How is that going to hurt the black community of this island?  Please provide an example.  Oh that's right, a black person supporting the UBP is a black person who is for putting his/her own people back into "shackles" and back onto the "plantation." 

All I know is that if such remarks had come from Dunkley, Barrit or Gibbons it would have been a travesty.  Double standards once again.
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« Reply #445 on: May 12, 2008, 03:17:15 PM »

 I think I'll stay away from post#443 for a while until I can formulate a reply. Your last paragraph speaks volumes but I'll have to sort out the 'wavelengths'......... Wink Smiley
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« Reply #446 on: May 12, 2008, 03:51:49 PM »

you can't stop racial mixing, and I do reckon that the many-shaded Bermudians of the not too faraway future
(my emphasis)

Say what? Try looking around next time you're in town....

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« Reply #447 on: May 13, 2008, 10:35:06 AM »

   Well, the dating scene seems quite the free-for-all. Heat of the moment, jnc. Still, your point stands: perhaps "not too faraway" is an example of talking the crap talk. Ah, but it's the inexorable force. Muddies that whole crazy setup. Still, would it be insane to think that Bermudians in just a couple decades might think we were just a crowd of wankers? Doom settles over the environment ... nobody in Bermuda seems to be finding accommodation that isn't monstrously expensive ... and meanwhile we were all distracted with Race Madness. I think a fair slice of the population doesn't fit into it.
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« Reply #448 on: May 13, 2008, 10:40:06 AM »

I'd say our esteemed Premier is asleep at the wheel.... but he doesn't even drive. Undecided
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« Reply #449 on: May 13, 2008, 01:39:45 PM »

would it be insane to think that Bermudians in just a couple decades might think we were just a crowd of wankers? Doom settles over the environment ... nobody in Bermuda seems to be finding accommodation that isn't monstrously expensive ... and meanwhile we were all distracted with Race Madness.

No argument from me on that one!

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