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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2008, 01:59:06 PM »

If the girl in question is from Britain binge drinking is also a virtual social norm.  Not necessarily having any effect on work output or quality in the working week.  Unfortunately, it does have  detrimental effect on health  Cry
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2008, 02:03:50 PM »

If the girl in question is from Britain binge drinking is also a virtual social norm.  Not necessarily having any effect on work output or quality in the working week.  Unfortunately, it does have  detrimental effect on health  Cry

Talking about assumptions....... Wink.......

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« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2008, 02:15:11 PM »

She did mention having owned a house there for ten years.  That's a long time for our most enduring (although not endearing) social habits to not rub off  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2008, 03:37:40 PM »

Noel

you sound like an alcoholic to me.  Even if you can hold your "liquor pretty good".  You mention volume and decreasing the price due to bulk buying.

To be technical, 'alcoholic' means you are physically and emotionally addicted to alcohol. Binge drinking on the weekends on a regular basis, say, while quite problematic, does not someone an alcoholic make....

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You are making the assumption it's binge drinking.  Why? 

How many binge drinkers do you know have outstanding bar tabs (that they plan to pay the day they leave the island with their last paycheck?  I would safely make the assumption that it was more like excessive & regular drinking, & having alochol bills at the end of the night that you cannot pay for is more symptomatic of alcoholism than binge drinking.

you sound like an alcoholic to me.  Even if you can hold your "liquor pretty good".  You mention volume and decreasing the price due to bulk buying.
I don't suppose you found the drinks expensive enough to cut back on?  Perhaps you could have afforded a nicer place had you not been ringing up bar tabs.

Excessive alcohol consumption as a way to 'self-medicate' (to use the term the professionals use for it) is not uncommon among people suffering depression. And it sounds to me like depression would have been a likely reaction to the position she wound up in.

Not to excuse excessive alcohol consumption, mind - just trying to point out that EAC is often not just simply the result of a character defect.

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I'm not suggesting EAC is a character defect, but based on some of Ad Girl's responses, I think she's full of it.  Depression and alcoholism are too different things and you can have one without the other.  One of her reasons for coming to Bermuda, along with tax incentives and fashions (?), was "wine bars".  How many expact friends do you know who have that high on their priority lists?  It sounds like a pre-existing condition to me.

Unfortunately, I must confess, I believe I have the benefit of knowing who she is and the Ad company she is referring to.  There are always two sides to every story, and never ever forget Bermuda is a very small world.

If this is indeed the person I think it is... without giving anything away... she's Canadian.  Not that that has anything to do with the price of cheese - just saw someone suggest she may be British.

Does anyone else find it interesting that since Bermuda she's had a least 5 jobs (count 6 if "all over Europe" means > 2 places)?

The last time I checked, it was always best to find solutions to problems and she should have discussed things with her employer before jumping ship. 

I understood she had taken and been paid for vacation that wasn't earned when she planned to jump ship and that's why monies were withheld.  Plus she had booby- trapped a bunch of her website creation work which had already been billed to the client and had to be redone at her employer's expense. 

And perhaps her self declared hair problems that caused the "yelling" were in fact hygiene problems.  It didn't look like she brushed her teeth much, smelled like alchohol in the mornings and looked like she hadn't washed her hair in months. 

' Two sides to every story....


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« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2008, 03:40:17 PM »

Hence the use of the the word "if".
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2008, 03:55:57 PM »

"I planned my escape from Bermuda with weekend end flight without telling a sole."

All sounds kind of fishy to me.... Wink

Great Rant. Whether you're half to blame or not there's plenty of golden truths in them Bermudian hills.

But seriously - if you really think a Thai prison is better, you should have just said something. Plenty of that fun stuff to be found on the island. Um Um.... so I hear....  innocent
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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2008, 04:12:02 PM »

Um Um... would you describe yourself as bald? Has anyone ever called you a toad? Have you ever been caught playing one-on-one with Mr. Johnson in the office.... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2008, 04:19:48 PM »

You byes are HARD!   Shocked Sad Cool
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 05:15:31 PM »

Like the D, I sympathised with her until I read the line about Bermudians being too stupid to do anything but serve drinks.  However, by calling adgirl nasty names, making assumptions about her lifestyle and saying good riddance and things like that just ads fuel to her argument.  Come on guys, we're better than this!  While it's not an easy thing to do, at times like this it's best to ignore such comments, methinks.
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2008, 05:20:47 PM »

That's exactly where I'm coming from Wassup. Unfortuantely based on the few everyone gets tarnished. Tell me there aren't quite a few Civil Servants feeling the exact same way right about now. Expat and Bermudian.
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2008, 05:41:14 PM »

Like the D, I sympathised with her until I read the line about Bermudians being too stupid to do anything but serve drinks.  However, by calling adgirl nasty names, making assumptions about her lifestyle and saying good riddance and things like that just ads fuel to her argument.  Come on guys, we're better than this!  While it's not an easy thing to do, at times like this it's best to ignore such comments, methinks.

I'll second that 'Wassup'. People tend to judge too harshly at times. We all have had problems in our lives and we all will. It's a matter of sorting wheat from chaff. Take a day at a time, reflect and be all you can be. Thats what it's all about. We disagree at times, more often than we would like too.

Just yesterday tornado's came rumbling through Virginia and caused great devastation. One news person said how great it was to see everyone come together. I thought...what a stupid comment. We all do in times of crisis that surrounds and or affects us. It's human nature.

Too bad it does not happen everyday. It's more than just a 'good morning'.........it's what we can do for each other all day...........

Gotta run............... Wink Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2008, 05:59:17 PM »

Excellent first post, adgirl - thanks for taking the time to do the exit interview.

You notice things haven't changed much, as evidenced by the responses.  There are a few Bermudians who are decent people and have a bit of empathy, but most of them just want to criticize you for speaking up.  It isn't to make a counter point about what you say, but to make a personal attack on you.  They want to make it seem like the problem is yours, not theirs. 

One of the things Reality and I often discuss is how impossible to believe the stories of the Bermuda work experience are.  I'm willing to bet your story is true to the letter - and you've probably skipped tons of other fantastic details.  Unless you've been there and experienced the bullying, hatred, dishonesty and withholding of money owed you simply can't believe it could be true.

Be comforted, we have been there and we know it is.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2008, 06:01:41 PM »

fine, but to paint ALL of us with the same brush? Come on.
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2008, 06:06:28 PM »

OK!!  I will apologise about the comments tarring all Bermudians the same as what I experienced by the boss. What I should have said is that my old boss should not manage people, as well as her idiot brother who was a real nasty piece of work himself and a major racist. He ran his company in similar fashion as though all his staff were idiots. A chinese girl lasted less than six weeks. I hate racism and thought that Bermuda was different. Thankfully I met a lot of nice people who weren’t like them.  

For the pleasure of posting here I get called a smelly, stink breath, who never heard of shampoo, alcoholic deadbeat who skips out on bills, runs out on problems, can’t get laid, wrinkled, old, bitter, ugly, ignorant, hag …… thanks more abuse - guess this is Bermuda after all.  

And Canadian too - not that I’d mind going back to Canada one day but I was only on a temporary visa. I wasn’t allowed to stay but it made me want to get more international experience. England is a miserable 3rd world country after all and what do we Brits know?  We are ignorant and are all binge drinking chavs. I had the house from before and was renting it out.

Volume is all relative and I was only suggesting it that I witnessed and did more drinking than what I was used to as well as do now. I am practically tea-total these days. I had some great times in Bermuda, met some really great friends, learned how to dive and improved my golf game. The death of a close freind didn't help my mood there.  

I wish I had more holiday but nooooo...... they held the money because they insisted on paying the bills themselves and I handed the couple I had left which included one bar bill. They said they would send the remainder of the money and didn’t. I wasn’t the only one who fell for it either from what I have heard!

Grats - I also find it interesting you said ‘if’ and then ranted on about your smelly, alcoholic, depressed, hygiene challenged, ship jumping, webbie, Canadian friend that you had the ‘benefit’ of knowing ……why didn’t you help this poor girl and say something surely that is what friends do?

Web………? Hello…. I said I design ads. You know ads - the crap you see in magazines, billboards and try hard to ignore? I don't even know what 'booby' is. Uh yeah ad agencies tend to have offices in multiple countries and send people around to different offices.

You are right about one thing though there are two sides to every story but goodness deary me..................................................................... I thought this was a place to tell your ‘Bermuda sucks’ story warts and all... so we can all have a good laugh about each other’s misery. Hey some bald men are very, very sexy but perhaps I just didn’t dig his weird collection of hair pieces and stick on pony tales? Perhaps I should have fallen for his small charm and stayed - my loss then

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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2008, 06:12:05 PM »

they held the money because they insisted on paying the bills themselves and I handed the couple I had left which included one bar bill.

Just out of curiousity, do you happen to know if they did in fact pay all the bills?

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