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Author Topic: Why the F* have the buses gone on strike AGAIN??!!  (Read 3253 times)
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2008, 09:57:41 AM »

....well, if the police recommend a prosecution in this case, what good can a shower of bus drivers taking to the street do??

I didn't say bus drivers (or the PTB) on strike - I said national strike - that means everybody.

I'd agree that the DPP wouldn't shouldn't decide not to proceed with the prosecution but I'm also confident that government would find some way to back down.
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2008, 10:03:54 AM »

....well, if the police recommend a prosecution in this case, what good can a shower of bus drivers taking to the street do??

I didn't say bus drivers (or the PTB) on strike - I said national strike - that means everybody.

I'd agree that the DPP wouldn't shouldn't decide not to proceed with the prosecution but I'm also confident that government would find some way to back down.
A national strike for a numpty bus driver that tried to (or actually did) attack a woman in her car??
Puuuleeeze.
It's a point of view I guess but even at the national level, I'm not seeing the link...what pressure are they putting on the police and the DPP?  Government has zero to do with it, contrary to popular belief.  I mean, think about it....from charge to court case can be 6 months, more even.....are all unionised workers going to put their livelihoods at risk for this one fat, angry tool...who blatantly is in the wrong (whether criminally so, is of course debatable)....not feeling it Blankman but there you go.
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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2008, 12:27:25 PM »

It's taken me all weekend to get logged in, and the F-in post didn't go through, atleast I can't see it so apologies if it's a double post.

Any  can i have my points Reality? here is the picture of the MASSIVE give way sign.

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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2008, 04:28:36 PM »

I think there's a second one on the other side of the street on the other stop light.  Those signs are so far back from the intersection that the only people likely to see them are already stopped for the light.

The intersection is already cross-hatched out.
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2008, 02:04:06 AM »

Winner! Thanks Jimmy J and karma to you.

The sign is far back and small enough to look like it refers to the pedestrian crosswalk at the lights - what with it being attached to the traffic light and all. Maybe a decent sign would've put the bus station over budget  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #50 on: May 12, 2008, 04:17:19 AM »

It's taken me all weekend to get logged in, and the F-in post didn't go through, atleast I can't see it so apologies if it's a double post.

Any  can i have my points Reality? here is the picture of the MASSIVE give way sign.


I'm pretty sure that that sign has no legal validity, though I'm sure that any serving police officers around here can clarify.
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« Reply #51 on: May 12, 2008, 06:58:50 AM »

Thanks for that eyewitness report, CIB. It sounds like a horrifying incident, regardless of the cause. No way in the world is that OK, no matter what happened inthe car - for him to touch her car, never mind start to get inside, is just not on. Would you give a witness statement if a case were brought?

Sure - whether the newspaper version of events is what happened or what I believe I saw is what happened, the whole thing was still absolutely nuts
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« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2008, 08:20:33 AM »


I'm pretty sure that that sign has no legal validity, though I'm sure that any serving police officers around here can clarify.
You are correct Sir, no legal validity although would just be common decency and good driving. 

The CCTV footage was a bit different in that, if I remember correctly, the bus didn't seem to stop and then turn....it's kinda like you being at a T junction, looking left and right, seeing a vehicle approaching from your right with it's left indicator flashing....you're certainly not going to just pull out in front of it assuming that it's going to perform that turn....are you??  So quite why a bus driver would assume a car would stop simply because it maybe should is beyond me.

Well I certainly wouldn't.  I wouldn't do it anywhere but here indicators might as well just be removed from all vehicles.  Either bikes leave them all all day or cars never use them...either way, they are redundant basically. 
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2008, 10:44:10 AM »

Just drove through this intersection this morning... there are the two smallish red signs on the stoplight posts, "GIVE WAY TO BUSES"... plus it's painted on the road in 2 foot white letters.  You gotta be blind to miss it....  Cool Cool
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« Reply #54 on: May 12, 2008, 10:51:19 AM »

Just drove through this intersection this morning... there are the two smallish red signs on the stoplight posts, "GIVE WAY TO BUSES"... plus it's painted on the road in 2 foot white letters.  You gotta be blind to miss it....  Cool Cool
Yeah, I did the same yesterday but the road painting is only good if traffic isn't backed up which it usually is from 9am to 7pm most days!!
The bus driver is still a tool!! Grin
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« Reply #55 on: May 12, 2008, 11:23:40 AM »

 These signs have been up/down since the 70's. As BlahBlah pointed out traffic is always backed up there. It has been for over 40 years.

Prior to Traffic lights in the city the Road Traffic Act and Hamilton Ordinances covered 'giving way to Pedestrians etc. Amendments were made etc once the junctions/cosswalks came under the new regulations.

It has always been difficult to access Church Street by buses do to the very large amount and continuous traffic flow along Church Street. These signs are more of a 'courtesy sign' for buses leaving the Terminal. Sometimes people will 'give way' and sometimes not. It's just like letting people out of private driveways etc that meet main roads et al.

Plus, you don't see signs on the drivers/offside side of the buses, only on the rear.

My two cents.

Plus, if it were the case, I am sure the Mayor and Police Reps would have made comments about this as they are very aware of the traffic on the roads and this site.

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« Reply #56 on: May 12, 2008, 11:23:51 AM »

Just my two cents as a born and raised bermudian. The bus driver was an idiot and a whole host of other names and should have definitely been suspended in the least.

But... anyone I know who drives through that intersection knows you are definitely supposed to give way. If you don't then you obviously must have missed that question on your written test. It is a cumbersome system due to the lights being ass-backward especially in rush hour but everyone SHOULD know you always, no matter what, have to give way to buses. It's the law.

Now before you jump on me I am certainly not condoning his actions by any means, but am just clarifying that. And as she gave him the finger first, I assuming she knew that she was supposed to give way. The buses have a giant sign on the back. If you travel that road and have had to stop at the light then you HAVE seen that sign.

Also it is written on the road. If this was her first time EVER travelling that road, I could understand her confusion but come on. We can all surmise it wasn't her first time on Church Street and again, as I said, if you have had to stop at the light right before the pedestrian walk, you have seen the writing on that blocked off part. If you haven't you are a horrible driver who evidently does not pay any attention to the road.

Again, I'm not condoning this, in fact I find it disgusting, but as I said, just to clarify.
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« Reply #57 on: May 12, 2008, 11:52:27 AM »

everyone SHOULD know you always, no matter what, have to give way to buses. It's the law.


No it's not, actually. There's no general right of way for buses.

The buses have a giant sign on the back.

It's a meaningless, unenforceable sign. What's more, the sign itself is technically illegal.
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« Reply #58 on: May 12, 2008, 12:20:05 PM »

Is it? Are you sure?

Nonetheless, this system has been in place that you have to give way since I was a kid and those signs and that procedure for that bus depot has been in place since they opened. No real excuse in my opinion.
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« Reply #59 on: May 12, 2008, 12:29:49 PM »

As shown in Jimmy-J's pic those signs are grossly inadequate if that's the intention. I must have seen those signs inummerous times myself but I've never really noticed them especially as the traffic lights pretty much over-ride their necessity.

This is not a big deal to fix. Bigger brighter signs, better co-ordination with the traffic flow/lights and make sure bus drivers know they cannot exit the terminal until all vehicles have cleared the box areas. Then simply have an officer on hand issuing warnings or writing tickets for a few weeks on and off until people get used to the idea of how to approach the area properly.
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