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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2008, 09:11:34 AM »

We can't do it here becasue there's a culture of not taking responsibility for anything that one does - be it attacking a motorist, driving a ferry drunk, driving bikes/cars too fast, stealing money, acting unethically and so on. There's a cultural problem in Bermuda, it stinks and it's encouraged and practised by the country's leaders.

And so, part of the fallout is lack of care on the roads (although it appears this isn't the case in this tragic incident) and people will continue to be killed and injured.
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2008, 09:32:52 AM »

There's a cultural problem in Bermuda, it stinks and it's encouraged and practised by the country's leaders.

QFT - that's exactly what it is. It's a social/cultural problem that's become so much worse over the last ten years. Why? Why do so many people in Bermuda drive like complete dickheads? I've been living in the UK since September, traveling by car each day around the area. Over that entire period, I haven't seen even a tenth of the type of reckless driving that I'd see on a single commute to work in Bermuda.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2008, 09:51:22 AM »

Why? Why do so many people in Bermuda drive like complete dickheads? I've been living in the UK since September, traveling by car each day around the area. Over that entire period, I haven't seen even a tenth of the type of reckless driving that I'd see on a single commute to work in Bermuda.

Because people in Bermuda think the rules don't apply to them.

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2008, 09:55:15 AM »


Because people in Bermuda think the rules don't apply to them.

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Exactly, it's cultural and it's encouraged.
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 10:07:13 AM »


Because people in Bermuda think the rules don't apply to them.

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Exactly, it's cultural and it's encouraged.
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But with the high calibre of Bermuda's Government officials, why on earth would people believe that they were exempt from following rules?
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 02:15:13 PM »

The individuals who are on our roads driving like crazy people using their cells phones, driving on my side of the road, because their car is too large, could care less about these appeals to be more careful.  I was utterly disgusted yesterday afternoon when a police car drives by me and he’s on his cell phone driving at a speed well above the legal limit.  In all seriousness how can the public be asked to use more care when our own law enforcement uses such bad judgment? Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying that it’s all the police fault, but they have to take some responsibility.  And like everything else when the public see them doing it so casually, then so will they. 

Since the amount of deaths and accidents are not making a difference to the drivers with bad habits or who just don’t give a damn about themselves or anyone else, then it’s up to the law enforcement to step up their game.  There is a need for more police on the roads to enforce the laws that are already in existence.  Until that happens I don’t see the conditions getting any better.
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 03:22:12 PM »

Angel,

I am not disputing the need for more enforcement...

But what there really is a need for is asshole drivers to grow up and stopping being such utter idiots.

In most other countries I have visited drivers can obey the rules of the road without the Police having to check up on them - like they were some little kids!

This issue is prevalent in Bermuda from the Roads to almost everywhere else - take no responsibility for ones actions, blame someone else and cry for the authorities to fix it...

Bermuda needs some people to grow up......and accept some personal maturity and responsibilty.....

This truly does drive me to distraction.... wacko....

Phew rant over!

Piglet

PS Not defending the Officer but many times we are briefed by phone on the way to an incident.....not all the cars have hands free in them.......

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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 03:34:30 PM »

Well, as an advocate of zero-tolerance policing (I'm very interested to see how Boris Johnson's reforms in that regard work in London), that is the approach I'd like to see used in Bermuda. I have no doubt that it would sort out the problem over the long term. People need to be taught respect for the laws of the road, plain and simple, and it's that respect, as well as any sense of personal responsibility that's sorely lacking in Bermuda. The problem is that the BPS doesn't really have the resources to carry out zero toplerance policing at this point, and the judicial system wouldn't be able to cope without a significant injection of money.
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 04:31:21 PM »

Angel,

I am not disputing the need for more enforcement...



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PS Not defending the Officer but many times we are briefed by phone on the way to an incident.....not all the cars have hands free in them.......

Then Piggy, pull over and chat away. Of course, you'll come back and say that you can't because you don't know the situation and must get there as soon as possible. Where? You have to be briefed and informed.

Talking on a cell phone or a hand held mike are exactly the same. It is a distraction to some degree but after a while you learn to manage and multi task even whilst driving.

Others are to layed back and loose sight of the road etc. The stories I could tell you about Police driving Hah!...
As for the "Hands free"...that just show you how far behind Government is in Bermuda. Where I live, the State Police were the first ones to get this hands free. It all works on GPS ( Good Portagee Soup)...Ther is no steering wheel, nada. You can talk too your hearts content, give a 'running commentary' et al. Hell.....roll the window down, smoke a joint, eat pie, talk...it's great.

Only problem with the new system is most State Police cars are found cross State Lines.......empty.


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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 10:33:46 PM »

Karma to Loki and Piglet for their (un)common sense. I think Piglet has it about right - it is as much as anything about personal accountability. There is way too llittle of that.
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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2008, 11:33:10 PM »

Well, as an advocate of zero-tolerance policing (I'm very interested to see how Boris Johnson's reforms in that regard work in London), that is the approach I'd like to see used in Bermuda. I have no doubt that it would sort out the problem over the long term. People need to be taught respect for the laws of the road, plain and simple, and it's that respect, as well as any sense of personal responsibility that's sorely lacking in Bermuda. The problem is that the BPS doesn't really have the resources to carry out zero toplerance policing at this point, and the judicial system wouldn't be able to cope without a significant injection of money.
Hey, I'm a big defender of the police but please don't give them a pass on this.  Fair enough they are 45 down from 477 established strength but that's still 422 police officers to cover this 21 square mile island with 66,000 inhabitants....it's a f'in joke.
In the UK while there would be a police station with maybe 50 cops working out of it in 5 shifts...there would actually be maybe 10 community beat officers responsible for a housing estate this size.  The fact that Bermuda continually uses the lack of resources is utterly disgraceful.
I understand by being a national Service there are additional responsibilities like special branch and intelligence etc but please......
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 12:28:58 AM »

That is a good point... why is policing demand so high in so small a community?
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 05:48:55 AM »

Well, as an advocate of zero-tolerance policing (I'm very interested to see how Boris Johnson's reforms in that regard work in London), that is the approach I'd like to see used in Bermuda. I have no doubt that it would sort out the problem over the long term. People need to be taught respect for the laws of the road, plain and simple, and it's that respect, as well as any sense of personal responsibility that's sorely lacking in Bermuda. The problem is that the BPS doesn't really have the resources to carry out zero toplerance policing at this point, and the judicial system wouldn't be able to cope without a significant injection of money.
Hey, I'm a big defender of the police but please don't give them a pass on this.  Fair enough they are 45 down from 477 established strength but that's still 422 police officers to cover this 21 square mile island with 66,000 inhabitants....it's a f'in joke.
In the UK while there would be a police station with maybe 50 cops working out of it in 5 shifts...there would actually be maybe 10 community beat officers responsible for a housing estate this size.  The fact that Bermuda continually uses the lack of resources is utterly disgraceful.
I understand by being a national Service there are additional responsibilities like special branch and intelligence etc but please......
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No one's giving the BPS a free pass. It's a fact: there's no way that zero tolerance policing could be used in Bermuda without a fundamental injection of resources into the system. As matters stand, officers are forced to spend an inordinate amount of time carrying out paperwork and administrative tasks related to arrests made, tickets issued, etc. That has nothing to do with the manner in which the force is run, and everything to do with an antiquated regulatory framework and judicial system within which the BPS works. If zero tolerance policing was introduced into Bermuda now, with no significant injection of resources, we'd have nothing short of chaos.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2008, 08:03:08 AM »

Well this morning on my commute from town to Southampton and back (new babysitter), I saw about six police bikes and cars. I have to admit though, my first thought was wondering whther it was "quota" time again...
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2008, 09:07:11 AM »

Angel,

I am not disputing the need for more enforcement...

But what there really is a need for is asshole drivers to grow up and stopping being such utter idiots.

In most other countries I have visited drivers can obey the rules of the road without the Police having to check up on them - like they were some little kids!

This issue is prevalent in Bermuda from the Roads to almost everywhere else - take no responsibility for ones actions, blame someone else and cry for the authorities to fix it...

Bermuda needs some people to grow up......and accept some personal maturity and responsibilty.....

This truly does drive me to distraction.... wacko....

Phew rant over!

Piglet

PS Not defending the Officer but many times we are briefed by phone on the way to an incident.....not all the cars have hands free in them.......



There are idiot drivers everywhere, not only in Bermuda.  IMO it has gotten worse here because more and more lawlessness is accepted everyday.  Trust me I know that the BPS have their hands full with what they have but leaving it as it is and expecting the public to do the right thing isn't going to happen.  Nowhere that I've traveled have I seen little to no police presence because the drivers are so law abiding, and don’t need policing. 

I don’t think anyone is asking for the BPS to fix the problem entirely, but I’d like to see them spending more time enforcing the law of the road in trying to keep our roads safe from idiots.
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