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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2008, 12:25:34 PM »

Bell - fritz some more....

Here's the article that came out when it first happened. All the more reason why I'm disgusted by the fact that the Minister of Health hadn't called her back....

http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d853333003000f&sectionId=60
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2008, 12:54:05 PM »

Sorry bdafresh, I was at lunch. No, I was not labelling her letter a kneejerk response, I was referring to the tone of this board for the most part. Most people on here kneejerk to complain about things that they have no facts on without even bothering to clarify or find out what the truth of the matter is. They don't even care in some cases. CO and I just explained that there are trained professionals in the response teams yet, not one person commented on that, just to continually bash the gov't. It get a mite bit tiring to discuss issues with people who simply refuse to see that not everything is as it seems or even written up in the newspaper. Let nothing get in the way of bashing Brown and by extension the government. We could point out good things the government does and everyone goes quiet until they can find another reason to point at something wrong. Bit like tigga sometimes but in reverse.

But whatever. I'm just an anonymous poster who was kinda hoping to find more open conversations that what usually happens here. Thank god for the times I do find it though!

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2008, 01:02:10 PM »

One quick question though. Is the ambulance service run by the Hospital or the gov't? I mean if it falls under the Hospital Board, why are we bashing the government? I'm not exactly sure on this so am actually asking an honest question, if anyone knows.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2008, 01:10:33 PM »

alsys - the following excerpt from the orginal RG article is the spokesperson speaking on behalf of the BHB. The average layperson would safely assume Bermuda does not have an adequate Paramedic program in place.

"Commenting on the training for Emergency Medical Technicians (EMTs), she said: "Emergency Medical Technicians at King Edward VII Memorial Hospital receive approximately 200 hours of combined classroom and clinical training that meets and exceeds minimum training standards established by the US Department of Transportation.

"Upon completion of this training and successful examination, EMTs are certified and registered in Bermuda. In addition, EMTs are re-certified bi-annually.

"BHB is in the process of assessing its Emergency Medical Services with a view to establishing a paramedic service.""

As to your follow up question: "Is the ambulance service run by the Hospital or the gov't? I mean if it falls under the Hospital Board, why are we bashing the government?"

The Ombudsman and the Opposition and any right minded Bermudian tax payer would like to know ask the exact same thing.....

Trust me, the Government, and Brown especially has inserted itself directly in the BHB's way. If you only knew some of the shenanigans the BHB has been "forced" to deal with you would ask certain Government Leaders to step down. Unless of course you're in with the in-crowd. Wink
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2008, 01:12:20 PM »

I'd like to have confirmation or otherwise of whether there are in fact any paramedics and if so, how many.

If there are not, maybe there is an opportunity to think creatively about emergency services. For example, in France, the firefighters are trained paramedics. Or could there be some combining with the regiment so they have an immediate, practical purpose? Or some other version that makes the best of Bermuda's resources?

Whatever the situation, it is a shame for this lady to get the runaround and I hope her letter gets some response from the health minister at least.
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2008, 01:18:21 PM »

Alsys - I think the real issue is not so much do the hospital or gumnt directly control the ambulance service but the fact that it's public money that is being spent, or not as appears in this case. This is directly controlled by a government that has an unhealthy (no pun intended) level of interference in all things medical on this island. 

The fact that us "PLP/Brown bashers" jump on every opportunity to criticise is irrelevant too. We are told this boils down to money. We have money. We have bloated expenditure on Cricket & Soccer, bloated travel expense and so on, and yet we don't have money to train and employ medical professionals to the desired level. That is government's fault. No if's or buts.
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2008, 01:20:23 PM »

alsys.  i am still wondering why the health minister found it acceptable not to answer this woman's phone call.  that is my problem with the government is this situation.  

$100, Mrs. Bishop will receive some type of acknowledgement from the powers that be, now that it has been exposed to the public.

Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't allowed to read the RG.  My bad.

Oh and one general observation (not directed towards you alsys)

I also find it interesting that we had no one yesterday justify Burch's comments in yesterday's thread about claiming racism once again.  Why not?
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 01:23:42 PM »

SG, I agree that the gov't does try to interject itself into the BHB but it doesn't succeed in all cases. And you aren't mentioning the BHB in any of your posts. My only point is that you cannot put all the blame on one person's shoulders who has no control officially. The Hospital Board makes its own decisions and in this case they decided that they did not require paramedics. That's deplorable in my opinion, especially since I pay to get myself certified in CPR etc every year simply to be prepared. I'm not disputing that just how y'all have gone about blaming Jack for Jill's decisions. Again, I'm not saying that the gov't is not to blame in some way but there's no balance in this thread... as in many others.

I enjoy this information sharing but not when there's no actual sharing. I've learned stuff on here but I often feel like anything I have to say in my defence falls upon deaf ears who only wish to air grievances and not actually listen. There are always two sides and I just wish people would remember that. I mean, who's to know whther the minister didn't inform the BHB that he had been contacted, and expected them to deal with their problem with staffing and safety issues? Mind, if that was true, he could have least informed this lady that he was doing so.

BHB doesn't even advertize for paramedics on their website but that is all the gov't fault, huh   Yawn

Reality - I meant to say sorry this morning as I was putting you into the group of people who did things we would rather not let our parents find out about. Sorry for not being clear Smiley

But on this topic, I did mention earlier that we do have paramedics in the first response team from what I was able to ascertain and that is indeed run by our fire service, which, if I'm not mistaken, is a government run outfit.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 01:27:48 PM »

Alsys - I think the real issue is not so much do the hospital or gumnt directly control the ambulance service but the fact that it's public money that is being spent, or not as appears in this case. This is directly controlled by a government that has an unhealthy (no pun intended) level of interference in all things medical on this island. 


Sand, I think you might find that the money is controlled by the Hospital Board with no direct control by the government. In fact that is one of the things the government was trying to do, make our only hospital a government run outfit. I know already what you will say about that but you can't have it both ways. Either they have control and they are to blame or they aren't and they aren't (not in totality, that is). Government subsidizes.

Oh their website is www.bhb.bm
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 01:36:58 PM »

I know for a fact that at least up until a couple of years ago RN's (Registered Nurses) rode in the ambulances as well, and as has been pointed out, are even more qualified than Paramedics. Don't know if this is still the case.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 01:40:05 PM »

"I enjoy this information sharing but not when there's no actual sharing. I've learned stuff on here but I often feel like anything I have to say in my defence falls upon deaf ears who only wish to air grievances and not actually listen. There are always two sides and I just wish people would remember that."

Dudette - you gotta be a bit more picky in what you want to defend. Wink

Seriously though - I agree with you 100% - but on this particular subject this is just the tip of the iceberg. There has and is so much interefence going on that half the people involved that should have a say and be on top of everything are getting getting crushed... or just bagging it and getting out of town. That's the problem.

The hospital has good qualified people. The BHB as well, well they did, but if you cannot be allowed to do what it takes because of an over-zealous government with conflicting vested interests then what can you expect? This instance is something that is bringing light to the whole operating procedures of Bermuda's Healthcare management.... it's just a pity someone had to die for it to happen.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2008, 01:42:03 PM »

Bermuda Hospitals Board established

(2) The Board shall be a body corporate having perpetual succession and a common seal and, subject to this Act, shall have power to acquire, hold and dispose of moveable and immoveable property of any kind and to enter into contracts and to do all things necessary for the purposes of its functions.

Hospital management by Board
6 (1) The Board shall, subject to this Act and any other statutory provision, have the general charge and management of the hospitals and any property moveable or immoveable appurtenant thereto.
(2) The Board shall—
(a) administer the hospitals generally in an efficient manner and in such a way as to promote the welfare of the patients of the hospitals;
(b) so far as funds at its disposal permit, promptly to make available at the hospitals modern methods of treatment of the sick and infirm;
(c) co-ordinate the administration and operation of the hospitals;
(d) make recommendations to the Minister on the development of the hospitals and the hospital service in Bermuda and on such matters as the Minister may refer to the Board for advice; and
(e) give effect to any directions given by the Minister under section 24.
(3) The Board may, subject to the provisions of this Act—
(a) build, construct or erect, or cause to be built, constructed or erected, any building; or
(b) carry out, or cause to be carried out, any works,
upon any land owned by, or under the control of, the Board where such building or works are calculated to facilitate, or are conducive or incidental to, the discharge of any function of the Bo


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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2008, 01:47:42 PM »

I agree SG. As I said, this is a deplorable state of events. But read the earlier posts. Had I not mentioned the BHB, this would have become just another I hate the gov't because they don't do shit and it's all their fault thread. No one even considered that there were mitigating circumstances! That's what's frustrating. Things need to be done, hell, heads need to roll but can we think about whose heads? It was a bit like finding your brother stole your candy and you resond by slapping your sister. Pavlovian response...

And I do choose my battles. I don't post in a lot of threads simply because I realize early on that nothing I say will make a difference. So I wait until I find a spot where someone might actually listen.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2008, 01:48:24 PM »

Is there a list readily available with all the Directors that sit on the BHB?
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2008, 01:50:07 PM »

Yes, on the website. I'm not good with links. It even has pictures.
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