"This is really not that complicated."

One would have thought. After this last round of s'plainin I sure hope it's gotten through. Somehow though, I think we're heading to the Privy Council.

Spin,

I agree that the tax payers subsidise the Canadian students, which results in a discounted tuition rate for Canadians. However, surely the payment of international student fees by the international student population also means increased revenue to the schools and a portion of this increased revenue helps to offset the discounted fees for Canadians.

If, as I said, you took the international students out of the equation, the operating costs of the schools would not reduce and the revenue short-fall would have to be picked up fro somewhere and most likely it would come from increaed tuition for Canadian students and/or increased taxes.

That being the case, I still argue that the international student fee helps to keep the tuition rates down for Canadian students. Are you saying this is not the case?

Additionally, I believe any Canadian student who has the grades to support it and who wishes to go to university can do. I do not believe that international students take any seats away from Canadians. Therefore, if you remove the international student factor this could also impact employment levels within Canadian schools so there is also a direct economic benefit by having international students.

Am I incorrect in my assessment?

I'm betting Tryangle is an employee with no kids.

Universiity of Toronto...ranked # 25 in the world according to this:

http://www.webometrics.info/top4000.asp?offset=0&zoom_highlight=University+of+Toronto

University of West Indies ranked 1,391.

http://www.webometrics.info/top4000.asp?offset=1350&zoom_highlight=West+Indies+University

Apparently I'm not the only ignorant one.

That is not discrimination.  That is reality my friend.  If you think that Wall Street or Insurance Isle doesn't look at the quality of the degree and level of relevance & difficulty of the major, then you live in a dream world.  To claim that is ignorance is astounding to me.

Not all degrees are created equal.  Get over it.  

That being said, I don't have a problem with what Govt is doing with the WIU, but it would be nice to know what it costs, and if it's worth it versus putting the same $ in the student's pocket to go ANYWHERE THEY CHOOSE as opposed to ONLY WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD to go.  

I would assume there is still the ability for super-talented first tier students to pick up the loads of scholarships that are available if they do not have the means.  Plus there are Govt scholarship, or are those going to go away with this new initiative?  I'd just like to see more detail on the cost-benefit analysis.  I hope it's not going to be viewed as where the poor students go.  We don't need that stigma.

I don't suppose this would be available to the children of long-term residents?  (someone did mention poortuguese...)   Would they have to be Bermudian or have status in order to receive the discount at WIU?  I've read that some of them serve in the regiment but don't have status.  Just wondering?  

Lots of questions.  And these days, it's better to proceed with caution considering all that's going on in education.  We need to focus on what's going on here at home in education and invest in Bermuda.  Our children are our greatest investment.
  

If the international students weren't there then the school would quite simply be smaller, a couple less teachers etc. and would base their expenses on revenue coming in.  It's all scalable.

ace, what does assuming my employment status and parental status have to do with the points I made?

Your rankings numbers are based on:

The original aim of the Ranking was to promote Web publication, not to rank institutions. Supporting Open Access initiatives, electronic access to scientific publications and to other academic material are our primary targets. However web indicators are very useful for ranking purposes too as they are not based on number of visits or page design but global performance and visibility of the universities.

Look at the criteria they are using. Of course that means ones with longer history and larger student population will be ranked higher.



So you are saying that what I bring to the table is of inferior quality to that of someone because they went to some big-name rich university without knowing the body of work that was being studied.

That, is discrimination, 'my friend'. You didn't read what ace proposed. He said "degree from university A vs university B", not "quality of the degree and level of relevance & difficulty of the major". Two wholly different things. Would a 'barely pass' at Toronto be viewed as higher than an honours degree from UWI in the same discipline, same majors?

It's discrimination when someone looks at my diplomas, sees "UWI" at the top and makes the decision to trash the paper because they are ignorant of the standards of work, courses taken and passed, level of degree obtained, and may consider the college some backwater lot ranked 4000 on some Americentric scale of merit.

Ace,

I get the impression that you went to U of T, well I went to Acadia and according to Maclean's, who annually ranks Canadian schools, Acadia is number one, U of T didn't even make the top 20.

Does that mean that if you and I are competing for a job the employer should take me over you, because fo the Maclean's ranking?

No, your not ignorant but you went to the wrong school.