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« Reply #150 on: July 11, 2008, 11:11:49 AM »

Guilden - FFS is that really you or is tigga visiting for the week-end?

Please - it's not hard to read the posts and determine if I made any sort of comment that mentioned how white people might feel attending UWI. That's a typical tigga attempt at distraction based on false testimony. And no I'm not a lawyer.... but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.

As to the interviewing one would assume for the sales position you would want someone who grew up in Bermuda and had a business degree. So that person should definitely get an interview. Actually one might be a little dubious about the Harvard application, however too many people just look at the name Harvard.

As to the CEO position one would automatically choose the Harvard person for an interview no questions asked. Why?

Harvard doesn't hand out business degrees.... only MBA's. Wink
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« Reply #151 on: July 11, 2008, 11:12:44 AM »

Will we be contributing to UWI starting in September or will we be waiting until the 2009/10 school year? If we start in September it's way too late for students to start changing their plans for next year in light of the reduced fees. Applications for schools are sent out in November/December and students start hearing back from Universities in the beginning of the new year. It's too late to apply to UWI for the upcoming school year so any fees given to them (UWI) by the Bda. Government will be wasted as virtually no students will be going there due to the reduced rates of tuition. I hope we start contributing next year and that students are made fully aware of the reduced fees they will pay so that the scheme can be somewhat of a success.
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« Reply #152 on: July 11, 2008, 11:14:52 AM »

Has the money already been spent? Why? What was promised? How many Bermudians will head down there given the universities of choice are in Canada and the US? Is EB getting a kickback? Is there a race element, is EB trying to discourage white students? Why is Randy scurrying back to the ministry with his tail between his legs? Is this just smoke and mirrors given that we can't produce neough university grade school leavers? If the entrance qualifications are lower, is the output lower? Are we lowering standards for our students just to be bale to say we have more going to university? It's manipulation of peoples lives for politcal advantage.


Just to play devil's advocate for a moment. We are a part of Caricom and thusly, this does actually make sense. The race element, as you put it, is such a weird statement. I went to school with a few white barbadians. Why do you automatically assume that white people would be discouraged to go to this school? You are assuming that the entrance qualifications are lower?

Y'all are making assumptions based on stories of people that "may" have gone to a school that "might" have been UWI. That's like judging  Acadia by the standards of EVERY college in Canada.
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« Reply #153 on: July 11, 2008, 11:16:01 AM »

Given the manner that Doctor Brown has handled the BDOT I'd say the cheque's already been mailed and cashed....
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« Reply #154 on: July 11, 2008, 11:22:36 AM »

sand, and as CO pointed out, UWI ranks higher than some canadian colleges...

I think you'll find the reason there are schools in Canada that hundreds of Bermudians go to comes down to the fact that they are 'easy' schools to get in to and that the work load isn't nearly as much as other schools throughout the country. I'm not suprised that UWI ranks higher than some of them, but a ranking of 1900(?) isn't something to be overly proud of...
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« Reply #155 on: July 11, 2008, 11:27:38 AM »

drew, seriously? How many colleges/universities are there in the world??? I guess the company ranked 1000 on the Fortune 1000 should just close their doors too?

St. Mary's is lower than UWI. How many bermudians have gotten their degrees from there? I know quite a few doctors from there and I'm sure they be very surprised to find out that, according to you, they went to a "not so good" school.
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« Reply #156 on: July 11, 2008, 11:30:56 AM »

sand, and as CO pointed out, UWI ranks higher than some canadian colleges...

It doesn't matter! UWI is still way way down the rankings. It's an old "new labour" trick (in the UK). Pledge in an election to get more people to University, but because you've bollocksed up high school education by interfering too much, no one is making the grade. Easy solution? Reduce entry requirements in Universtiies and colleges, force them to accept x number of kids from different schools. Is this what is happening here? Buying places to get the numbers up? I don't know, but IT"S NOT THE EFFING POINT.

Government is basically saying, "you want to go to university then it's on our terms to the place we decide". That's wrong, dead wrong. Besides the fact that Horton and Co with their bloated ministry and exopensive consultants can't seem to fix the high schools and go out of their way to meddle with schools that are a success (assisted schools). That's the real travesty here.
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« Reply #157 on: July 11, 2008, 11:33:32 AM »

Smokes,

My sincere apologies, it was LBT who asked how many white Bermudians will attend UWI.
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« Reply #158 on: July 11, 2008, 11:40:47 AM »


Just to play devil's advocate for a moment. We are a part of Caricom and thusly, this does actually make sense. The race element, as you put it, is such a weird statement. I went to school with a few white barbadians. Why do you automatically assume that white people would be discouraged to go to this school? You are assuming that the entrance qualifications are lower?

Y'all are making assumptions based on stories of people that "may" have gone to a school that "might" have been UWI. That's like judging  Acadia by the standards of EVERY college in Canada.
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From what I understand BDA is simply an associate member of CARICOM.  What and how does BDA benefit from such an association (just a simple question and not bashing the Caribbean)?  Is BDA getting any "donations" from these countries in regards to our failing education system?  Is it just a one way street agreement?  Please someobdy explain the benefits as I really can't seem to find them anywhere.

Again, why are the Bermudian tax payers forced to pledge money to a foreign jurisdiction's education system, when our's is such a mess!!  That is my issue with this whole thing, not because I view UWI as sub-standard.  This Government seems to want to help out other countries with their economic/educational infrastructure with our hard earned money.  What about our children that are failing the simple BSC??!!  Why aren't we taking care of our own first with our own money??  I can't for the life of figure out what benfit this is going to do if our teenagers can't obtain a simple BSC diploma from the system that is on the verge of complete implosion.
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« Reply #159 on: July 11, 2008, 11:42:27 AM »

sand, it does matter. You are making assumptions about this school based on a ranking but adding your own prejudice. This school is ranked higher than quite a few canadian and american schools, schools which are known to be good schools. But because it's a caribbean school, suddenlt that ranking means nothing? That's hypocritical and you know it. You can't use the ranking to explain why this school isn't good and excuse the ranking as it pertains to another school!! Are you taking lessons from EB? "The facts mean what I want them to mean and only then..."

Government has implemented more scholarships, more bursaries, more grants over the last couple of years. The gov't is not saying you have to go here, they are saying here's another choice. You want to go somewhere else, then you apply for a scholarship, and interest free loan, a bursary. This is simply another option.

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« Reply #160 on: July 11, 2008, 11:43:16 AM »

All universities are alike in the sense that they offer a similar product - some specialize in different areas of study but at the end of the day they sell education to us. Companies don't offer us the same products and due to market conditions some businesses will be a lot larger than others so I don't think that example works so well. Any school can the 'best' but not any company can be the biggest...

And I can't see why people on here fail to realize that some schools are better than others. I'm sure you will agree that the private schools on the island are 'better' than the public schools, so why can't some universities be better than others? As a student currently studying in Canada and having A LOT of friends that go to St. Mary's, etc. I can say that the work they did at the high school level left a lot to be desired. Did your doctor friends go there for their undergraduate degree or for medical school?
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« Reply #161 on: July 11, 2008, 11:45:48 AM »

sand, and as CO pointed out, UWI ranks higher than some canadian colleges...

so?   There are good and bad institutions everywhere.  A lot of Canadian schools rank ahead of a lot of American schools... doesn't mean that everyone should stop attending MIT does it?  The schools that CO pointed out are not known to be "good schools" - U of T Erindale??  puhhhlease

This UWI thing isn't about education anyway, it's about engineering a cultural shift. 
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« Reply #162 on: July 11, 2008, 11:47:11 AM »


Government is basically saying, "you want to go to university then it's on our terms to the place we decide". That's wrong, dead wrong.


Sand,

I just re-read the press article and it only talks about UWI as a lower cost option for Bermudian students. Doesn't the Government NOW award scholarships? There is nothing in there to suggest that awardees of Government scholarships MUST attend UWI. This begs the question, "From what section of this press release did you ascertain that Government scholarships will only be awarded for those students attending UWI?

This initiative is about nothing more than providing an educational opportunity to those students whose parents are financially unable to attend the bigger name schools.

Based on that I am sorry but I see nothing wrong with the initiative, unless as DeOnion has pointed out, the cost versus benefit is too great to make sense.
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« Reply #163 on: July 11, 2008, 11:47:14 AM »

i agree bdafresh. Our own system sucks and they really need to get off their arses on that. I'm not saying that at all.

In this thread, however, we are talking about the UWI plan. And I think any new oppurtunites are a good idea. Implementation is a concern, yes, but y'all are bashing what you think the plan might entail. How does that make sense? I couldn't give a food review  (lunch time  Embarrassed) based on what I thought the restaurant 's food might tast like. Especially when I have never ordered that particular dish!
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« Reply #164 on: July 11, 2008, 11:49:11 AM »

Both actually drew. And we went to high school together, WA and Saltus.
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