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« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2008, 08:36:45 AM »

I pulled out of the 24 hour gas station in Hamilton onto Par-La-Ville Road, heading towards Front Street.  Cars were lined up past the gas station on Par-La-Ville, towards The RG offices, so, being on a bike, I pulled out and attempted to get in front of everyone at the light.

Yes, technically it's wrong, but we ALL do it (most of us anyway).
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I have no-where to go. 

You have just explained that you were breaking the law here. According to the code, you had no clear exit from your position, and, and if you had have managed to negotiate the line of cars, you would have been across a solid line (i can't recall what colour it actually is there... probably white), should you have negotiated to the front of the line, you would have also positioned yourself in front of the SOLID WHITE line at the pedestrian crossing. To overtake a waiting vehicle at a pedestrian crossing is also a traffic offence.

The local offences list goes on and on....

Ace, no wonder there are so many a$$holes on bikes and in cars. No one knows the highway code, er, no one follows the highway code.

Safe trails all.

(edit for stoopid spelling)
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« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2008, 09:04:55 AM »

Welcome to the forum, John.Smith.   Smiley

It sounds like you have more than a passing familiarity with the code... thanks for sharing.

Do you really think it is ignorance of the code that makes for the problems?  I'd guess it is more like contempt for the code.

By the way, you can feel free to say "asshole" here.  We just don't like to see the C-word, the F-word and the N-word, so we change them to ****.  Other than that, feel free to express yourself here on Bermuda Sucks/Rocks as you see fit.
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« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2008, 11:34:04 AM »


I guess you have a crystal ball to tell if the other driver is braking or accelerating whilst you decide to 'leapfrog' (Change Leapfrog ' to cut them off)' in front of a moving vehicle (or slower moving)

Clearly you are not interested in road safety but your need to get where ever it is you are going maybe 20 seconds quicker - the point of the gap is for safety reason, when riders fill the gap they cut off another vehicle and cause that driver to have to adjust their course or speed (facts that can be relied on to prove a traffic offence such as Due care another story).

As an aside the safest way to overtake is a straight line and the 'leapfrog' method as you describe is not considered safe in any driving system.

Anyway happy driving and feel free to 'fill the gap' just don’t bitch when someone speeds up and you get knocked off your bike or you get a traffic ticket for driving without due care and attention...all of which happens .......

As I said earlier the gap between two vehicles is a 'SAFETY GAP’…. not to help some impatient rider get to their destination 30 seconds quicker...

Safe driving to all

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Actually when you are driving one hopes you use all ones observational skills when deciding to overtake. To me that's one of the prime reason that we have so many accidents on the roads here as this does not occur. It is pretty clear when a car is accelerating from a standstill and if not then one does not have the observational skills to be riding.

As far as time saved, well even on a pedal cycle along Harbor road I can make up 5 - 10 minutes over work mates, so by motorbike this is considerably more. It is a waste in fuel all these cars clogging up the road, so I'd rather not be penalised by them.

I don't know if you are a cop or not, but being lectured on what is safe driving by one is a bit hypocritical!! I've seen their road antic's over the years and even remember when they wrecked was it 6 cars in 2 months??? Then they have the nerve to book you for speeding on a totally quiet stretch of Kindley Field road at 7am on a Sunday while manic's are loose overtaking on blind corners, on the insides etc!!


I'm all for road safety! I say deal with the truely dangerous stuff rather than make easy picking cause it gives the appearance that the jobs being done!!


Reef chaser,

I am not lecturing you on how to drive - you will drive how you choose - I am jut telling you that what you are doing in my view (and the traffic code of Bermuda as well as the laws of Bermuda) is no safer than creating a third lane...

Likewise I am not defending any Police Officers driving, however, I can say driving a response vehicle on Bermudas roads is very difficult and it is not made any easier by ‘riders’ (can think of other better descriptions!)  who amongst other things 'leapfrog' other cars trying to save time (5 mins over their mates….. Huh....) on their way to work.

I can also say that I am personally aware of many accidents were the 'leapfrogger' has not been let back in by cars and ends up getting squashed like so may other frogs...on the roads……

Piglet

PS I agree speeding laws should not be 24 hours a day???I mean 7am on a Sunday is a safe time to speed and break the law. right?....and I agree the police should spend more time ticketing dickheads doing  the third lane and or leapfrog...which is dangerous....and is a factor in may serious injury accidents.....

PPS If you are truly for road safety play your part and drive within the laws...the old ' but he drives 'worse' or more 'dangerous'  than me' argument is pretty sad!
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« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2008, 12:08:36 PM »

...the old ' but he drives 'worse' or more 'dangerous'  than me' argument is pretty sad!

Agreed - it's not that different from the "UBP did it too ..." that we regularly hear from one of our favourite posters.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2008, 04:41:17 PM »

One think that seems to be missing from your arguement Piglet is just cause a law exists, it does not mean that is correct for every situation. The other day when going to work I took extra note of how using a leapfrogging technigue would affect overtaken cars. What was interesting is before the car that was being overtaken and leapfrogged moved there would be a 15'+ gap forming in front of it which the bike quite easily slipped in. So in actual fact the safety gap even with a bike now in front was far greater than without the bike in front!! Of course that would be different when the car is actually prepare to or is actually stopping when a bike slides in.

I believe in California lane splitting by motorcycles is legal, other states it may be not. Germany has on some motorways no speed limits, where in other countries thay do, despite the roads being of similar design. Is each law correct, ie if not obeyed will result in a dangerous situation?!? Don't know about you but having spent time driving both on UK motorways at 80mph and German ones at 120mph I felt much safer on the German ones as the standard of driving on UK ones can be pretty abysmal. So to me just cause a law exists, it doesn't mean it is going to dramatically enhance my safety!

So going back to driving on Sunday at 7am, sure if the road is clear and a biker was going at 65kph... is it truely as dangerous are a rider going 45kph through the twisty section of Ord road? For me I'll deem what I believe is considered safe, don't need to be lectured on safety motorcycle cop who just raced along the southshore, over taking a couple cars on a 450lb motorcycle at 140kph to chase me down for doing a much safer 56 kph.

Police are just legalised speed merchants, who are not there to make the roads safer, but to makeup extra revenue!!  Angry
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« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2008, 05:34:57 PM »

Reefchaser,

I don't make the laws - laws are different everywhere ....but when in Rome....you should abide by the laws and rules of the road...driving as in the UK - where you are from....is a privilege and certianly not a right......

I have also driven all over the world (not Germany)...the Safety Gap is not new ...it is also not a distance…. you speak of 15 feet etc...but a specific time after a car (or vehicle passes) as fixed point and you reach it...rule of thumb for Bda would be 2 seconds and 4 seconds at night or rain....again it is up to you if you follow the rules...but they are in place to try and make driving safer....not just for YOU...but for other road users...who may not share your thinking or ‘style’ of driving….!

Ref... the Ord Rd and Kindley Field example…Clearly there are safer places to ride and drive ...but the key here is speeding is a traffic offence...pretty simple really.....doesn't really matter much where you do it.......

I very much doubt you were chased down at a 140kh...but it makes a nice story....

With your current ideas of driving this may become a common occurrence for you!

Safe driving to all…and leave the leap frogging to the kids in the playground or the frogs.....

Piglet.

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« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2008, 06:14:20 PM »

I pulled out of the 24 hour gas station in Hamilton onto Par-La-Ville Road, heading towards Front Street.  Cars were lined up past the gas station on Par-La-Ville, towards The RG offices, so, being on a bike, I pulled out and attempted to get in front of everyone at the light.

Yes, technically it's wrong, but we ALL do it (most of us anyway).
.......

I have no-where to go. 

You have just explained that you were breaking the law here. According to the code, you had no clear exit from your position, and, and if you had have managed to negotiate the line of cars, you would have been across a solid line (i can't recall what colour it actually is there... probably white), should you have negotiated to the front of the line, you would have also positioned yourself in front of the SOLID WHITE line at the pedestrian crossing. To overtake a waiting vehicle at a pedestrian crossing is also a traffic offence.

The local offences list goes on and on....

Ace, no wonder there are so many a$$holes on bikes and in cars. No one knows the highway code, er, no one follows the highway code.

Safe trails all.

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There are rules for everything and not knowing them is no excuse.

There are also unwritten rules, and rules of common human decency.

My rant is not about defending myself against the written rule of law.  My rant has much more to do with the fact that I was almost intentionally run down by a woman in a car because SHE experienced a road rage incident.

But, again, for being such a perfect human being I'll award you a "k" also.  Some of us are weak.  The "k" is for being so darn strong.
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« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2008, 06:49:28 PM »

Hey Ace, you do realize that there are now probably dozens of people driving around Hamilton any given day wondering which one of the guys on the bike sticking out is you.... Wink
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« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2008, 07:49:09 PM »

Hey Ace, you do realize that there are now probably dozens of people driving around Hamilton any given day wondering which one of the guys on the bike sticking out is you.... Wink

Yea I do.

I sure hope some poor schmuck doesn't get mistaken for me and is justifably driven off the road or something for a minor infraction.

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« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2008, 08:25:48 PM »


I very much doubt you were chased down at a 140kh...but it makes a nice story....



Yeah guess you never seen police bikes chasing down speeders, we used to hang out as teenagers to watch them do it. Used to be fun watching them 750's flying down the road. Just to fill you in on the motorcycles, the bikes doing the chasing were GSX750P which is a derivative of a bike called a GSXR750 which was a full on race replica. Anyway just to make a long story short, they'd get through 3/4 gears by the time they catch down the offend "highly dangerous" speeder. I'd say you'd be right 140kph is a bit much, I'm a mph guy myself, so had to do a conversion. So anyway for sure doing 120kph and I'm sure when they do have their little blasts down Kindley at nights 140 isn't a problem.
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« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2008, 08:32:11 PM »


With your current ideas of driving this may become a common occurrence for you!


Thankfully not!!!  Cheesy

Besides those cheesy 750's couldn't touch my orange V50 even if they tried!!!  Slap

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« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2008, 08:16:39 AM »


I very much doubt you were chased down at a 140kh...but it makes a nice story....



Yeah guess you never seen police bikes chasing down speeders, we used to hang out as teenagers to watch them do it. Used to be fun watching them 750's flying down the road. Just to fill you in on the motorcycles, the bikes doing the chasing were GSX750P which is a derivative of a bike called a GSXR750 which was a full on race replica. Anyway just to make a long story short, they'd get through 3/4 gears by the time they catch down the offend "highly dangerous" speeder. I'd say you'd be right 140kph is a bit much, I'm a mph guy myself, so had to do a conversion. So anyway for sure doing 120kph and I'm sure when they do have their little blasts down Kindley at nights 140 isn't a problem.

Reefchaser,

Following on your theme of ' thanks for the lecture' .....regarding police bikes - have actually ridden one or two - don't need to touch 3/4 gear but that is another story....anyway thanks….. Wink....

The 140 like other bits of your rant were more than a little off......but as I said it was a good story to read....... Cheesy.....

Be careful with a V50 one of the most stolen bikes of all times..... Shocked.....

Safe driving

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« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2008, 09:01:02 AM »

Your welcome!!!  Wink

Yeah you're right don't need to touch 3/4 gears to break speed limits on them big police bikes, you may not but I've seen plenty do so...... just hang out on the Prospect drag strip next to the Police impound.... remember a few years back neighbours were complaining about the police "racing along the stretch"! Police officers are human and like to give it a bit of welly from time to time!! Just chat to one over a few drinks and you get to hear the stories of wild chases!! But I guess you are right... those chases were done in 2nd gear and never over 30 mph!!!  Cheesy

 

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« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2008, 09:38:35 AM »

Are wheelies deemed illegal???

Watched a copper on one of those big single cylinder dirt style bikes, briefly have the front up just turning up Burnt house hill, the acceleration was damn impressive!! I want to know where I can sign up for one of those!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2008, 10:34:34 AM »

Reefchaser....

....trust me you can a lot faster in second gear....many times you don't need to go to 3/4 although the mechanics get pissed off...

Not saying that no one uses all the gears.......

The newer dirt bikes...are pretty quick.....

You should start a thread on police bikes/driving/speeding..... Cheesy.....

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