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« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2008, 11:30:56 AM »

I'm not too bothered by police bikes speeding....just when they book me for doing what they just did!! Honestly I'm relative to general traffic a fairly conceincous rider... or at least I'd like to believe so. I've read a few books on proper driving, I think one was an old (British) police one dusted off in my school library. Alot of it is common sense, but then some is about trying to predict what is going on ahead and being prepared for the unexpected. In Bermuda I think so many accidents are because of lack of foresight and carelessness.

I've over the years been smart about how one "speeds" so only once received a ticket and that was totally because I let my guard down on a nice sunny day and got booked! The most annoying thing was I briefly overtook at 58 kph a car which was going unusually slow and dropped back down to 46 kph. There were no intersections on the road and it was clear as far as the eye could see! Yet once I was 200m down the road a brief look in the mirrors I could see a rapidy approaching shiney 750 coming to lighten my pockets some!! Me and my trusty 50cc bike knew we were nicked and pulled over before the copper even needed to say a word!!

Thing is my bike weighs all of 170lbs, where that 750 weighs 450lb or perhaps more with all the extra police gear! From where he came out to chase me down, he would have been doing far more than my 58kph to have caught me the way he did, so when we apply Newtons Second Law of motion (F=MA) my total energy is far far less. So comparatively should we either of us have the misfortune to have an accident I'd inflict far less damage. Then you get these nutters overtaking on blind corners and there's not a cop to be seen!!  Angry

So that's my rant!!!  Cry


As far as safety I'm not sure how to fix the problem, but if it was me, I'd name and shame!! I can't get over the walls that get knocked over all the time, but we'll run out of Bermuda stone quite quickly from what I see every week! So I'm make it so you knock a wall down you have to pay 3 times the price to repair it and have your photo in the paper in the "skilled" driver section! I mean imagine having a sarcastic "driver" or "rider" of the week posted in the Bermuda Sun with a mug shot!!   Embarrassed

Also lets gather statistics on accidents and post a monthly record of all the details posted in the paper!!  Give causes, age, gender, race, engine capacity etc... I go past HWP and it's amazing to see so many nice shiney new cars totally written off on a regular basis!!??? I see the car ship calling in all the time, no wonder!!  Yawn

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« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2008, 11:55:58 AM »

"In Bermuda I think so many accidents are because of lack of foresight and carelessness."

I agree. People need to learn that trees and walls can and do jump out at you all the time. With a little foresight we can avoid them. Cool
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« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2008, 12:24:56 PM »

Reeeeefchahsa.....stick to 'snorkelling'...............

As for you Smokes....yah playjarizing mighy vurds.........

Just kaws yah gutt ha lutt uv karrmay dunt meen yoo kan yooze mighy rummiisanizums........yoo vunna fite???

Taik yah snurkle ann mazk too dee tenk.......

Muss haiv juss gutt howt uv rehaib.....nah yoo vunna maik ah lutt uv noyse?Huh? Angry
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« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2008, 12:34:57 PM »

"BTC have been working on the poles at Watlington Road, and some kind person has sprayed them red so there is hope yet......."

Now that's foresight..... innocent
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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2008, 09:56:33 AM »

I pulled out of the 24 hour gas station in Hamilton onto Par-La-Ville Road, heading towards Front Street.  Cars were lined up past the gas station on Par-La-Ville, towards The RG offices, so, being on a bike, I pulled out and attempted to get in front of everyone at the light.

Yes, technically it's wrong, but we ALL do it (most of us anyway).

So a woman rounds the corner from, what is that...Church Street...and onto Par-La-Ville.  She sees me pulling out and try to hug the line of cars to give her plenty of room.  I pull in as best I could, but the lined up cars had left no room to enable me to get all the way out of her lane and stop, just to make sure all was cool.  She had PLENTY of room to go on her way! 

She gets a frown on her face and aims her car at me. 

I have no-where to go. 

With at least a THREE FOOT gap between her car and the edge of the pavement on her left side she barely missed grasing me with the entire length of her car as she drove by.  I even thought about abandoning the bike and jumping onto the car to my left for a second but it was too late.

I yelled at her and just extended my arms in her direction...because I wanted to know why?

She is willing to actually aim three thousand pounds of metal at me to "teach me a lesson".

My kids would like to thank her very much for not hitting me.  They are grateful that you didn't hurt their father because he does what 95% of bike riders do here in the same situation. 

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Why? Its called the right of way! Get the **** out of my lane, I am glad your ok, take this time to look up "right of way" in the drivers handbook. Does Bermuda have such an enlighten manual for the uninformed? Probaly not. You might want to look up "how to signal" and "proper stopping techniques". I play chicken with drivers in my lane except I am on a scooter when i do it, i love the look i get from people who have to zip back into there lane or hit, ah Bermudian arrogance.

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« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2008, 10:08:53 AM »

Is Jaywalking illegal in Bermuda?


I think I hurt myself laughing, nothing is illegal in Bermuda, on the road anyway. The so called laws need to be enforced to make something illegal.

I see no reason to enforce the law, the people don't care, the surviving family members don't care, the government doesn't care. People just say thats just the way Bermuda is....Quaint.
I have never meet a people where safety and life means so little. Maybe i should travel more?

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« Reply #81 on: August 12, 2008, 11:29:40 AM »

Now you can't just say that the surviving family members don't care... I'm not sure on the activities of the ROLO group recently but I don't think they formed the group just to hold meetings for the sake of it.

Enforcement of laws however is poor. People aren't going to obey general traffic rules if they know there's no possibility of being caught and proscecuted. You see red-light runners on a regular basis, not just in town but in places like the Collector's Hill junction. As for the "yellow is the new green" modus operandi, maybe that's on the list of things to tackle in the next phase of police blitzing.

Do you remember when they were clamping cars illegally parked? Someone told the Gazette reporter, "This is an island, people need to relax, man".

Anarchy on the streets, indeed.
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« Reply #82 on: August 12, 2008, 01:28:27 PM »

Well well well. Where do I begin? This is the first time I have felt compelled to reply to a thread on BS.

Hello everyone. Today I have read through a lot of finger-pointing, accusations, guilt-dodging and guilt-assuming posts. My conclusion, from reading this thread, and from driving on these roads is that the vast majority of you drivers with whom I share a road are the worst I have ever had the misfortune to share a road with. So many of you are here to preach, so many of you shake your fists and yell profanities whilst cocooned in the safety of your automobiles and yet, when I drive home this evening I will see so many of you continue to abuse the rules of the road as I see on a daily basis.

My first point - there will be no winner in the cars versus bikes debate. It's not 95% of car drivers who are morons, it's not 95% of bike riders who are morons. It is the vast majority of road users who are morons. The vehicle that they happen to ride is just an outlet for them to express and display their moronic driving habits, whether it be a bike or a car.

Secondly, how many of you here who pour scorn on others are going to drive home tonight and use the correct turn signals at a roundabout? The answer will be close to zero. Drivers on our roads have the attitude "everyone else does it, so can I." What b****ks. Know this: Rules exist to prevent chaos. Follow them, regardless of what the other idiots around you may do. (When was the last time you saw someone turning right at a roundabout and correctly using firstly their right indicator, followed by their left indicator after they pass the exit prior to the exit that they are going to take? - If you did see someone do this - it was me).

Bike riders - a special message for you - it is not OK to overtake in a lot of cases. It is never OK to double-overtake. It is absolutely f*****g never OK to overtake me so close to me that you actually make contact with me and clip my wing-mirror - this has happened (I ride a bike too but hope to change to a car when I can). Overtaking on the left when traffic is moving forward is stupid and dangerous. Forcing oncoming traffic to take evasive action is wrong.

Car drivers - pulling out of a junction when a bike is coming toward you is wrong. Leaving a motorcyclist with the choice of slamming on their brakes causing them to skid, or t-boning you is careless and idiotic. This has happened to me. Rear-ending motorcyclists is unacceptable, especially when you are not even insured - this has happened to me also. (and not because I leapfrogged anybody). Another one - don't f*****g tailgate me, and that includes taxi-drivers.

Car-drivers - fog lights are for foggy conditions, so if it isn't foggy - TURN THE FOGGING THINGS OFF!.

Bike-riders - if you're not going to bother fastening your helmet, just don't bother wearing one.

Bike-riders - I am sure you feel really cool when you ride with one hand on the handlebars and one on your lap. But it's against the law. You may be safe 99.99% of the time doing this, but what happens when you suddenly need to take evasive action?

Car-drivers - Sticking on your indicator when at a junction, or pulling out of a parking lot does not give you the right of way. If it's convenient for me, I will stop and let you out. If not, stay where you f*****g are and wait your turn. Don't start nosing out and forcing people to stop.

Car-drivers - If I overtake you (which I occasionally do when it is legal to do so) that is not a reason to tailgate me or try to intimidate me off the road. Are you so f*****g insecure that you take personal offence when you are overtaken?

Car-drivers - stay on your own side of the road at ALL TIMES. If you are unable to manouevre your vehicle such that you constantly find yourself straying over the middle line (esp. on Harbour Road) then get off the road. I don't care if the roads are too small - if you are incapable of driving within the laws and the lines, stay off the roads.

Bike-riders - your headlights have a dim swtich. Find out where it is and practice using it before you venture out at night again.

All of you - please do not travel on our roads unless you absolutely definitely know all the rules of the road, and further, have the common human decency and moral courage to abide by them.

Here ends the rant.
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« Reply #83 on: August 12, 2008, 02:00:36 PM »

Well, your still alive "choozy". We have been over this on numerous threads but you seem pissed off for being a good and relative driver. Yah gutta bee ah ax-patt wiff ah noo kar..................valcum hahbored dee gooooo sheep ewart-pop......................... Wink Slap
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« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2008, 02:08:02 PM »

Choozy....yah juss ah maber as frum toodey..............."Compelled" ?.....Valculm hahboard hahgain.....have a "k" frum mee......eye neid ah quad---ripple........... Grin Wink
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« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2008, 02:10:49 PM »

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from driving on these roads is that the vast majority of you drivers with whom I share a road are the worst I have ever had the misfortune to share a road with

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It is the vast majority of road users who are morons. The vehicle that they happen to ride is just an outlet for them to express and display their moronic driving habits, whether it be a bike or a car.

I think many of us are in agreement with your feelings about the driving culture and the scenarios on the road that you mention, however you can't accuse us of preaching and then turn around and do pretty much the same thing, nor accuse us of being hypocrites on the roads.

I could even take issue with your roundabout strategy in certain situations... the person who is actually on the roundabout always has the right of way. It's the responsibility of the person approaching the roundabout who must yield until the path is clear for them to enter the roundabout. These days partly because of bad driving, people have to look in each direction before entering it as well.

But this would be a good post to submit to the Gazette L.t.t.E. column if you only added an additional paragraph to admonish those who are on their cellphone and thus unable to have a free hand to make turn signals, much less avoid potential collisions.
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« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2008, 05:10:35 PM »

With a name like that I suppose you have the right to preach. Just don't let Ace or CO know who you are. Or you might end up being the chosen one. K2U for a great rant. But as Tryangle says, you forgot the cell phones!
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« Reply #87 on: August 13, 2008, 07:51:41 AM »

Well well well. Where do I begin? This is the first time I have felt compelled to reply to a thread on BS.

Hello everyone. Today I have read through a lot of finger-pointing, accusations, guilt-dodging and guilt-assuming posts. My conclusion, from reading this thread, and from driving on these roads is that the vast majority of you drivers with whom I share a road are the worst I have ever had the misfortune to share a road with. So many of you are here to preach, so many of you shake your fists and yell profanities whilst cocooned in the safety of your automobiles and yet, when I drive home this evening I will see so many of you continue to abuse the rules of the road as I see on a daily basis.

My first point - there will be no winner in the cars versus bikes debate. It's not 95% of car drivers who are morons, it's not 95% of bike riders who are morons. It is the vast majority of road users who are morons. The vehicle that they happen to ride is just an outlet for them to express and display their moronic driving habits, whether it be a bike or a car.

Secondly, how many of you here who pour scorn on others are going to drive home tonight and use the correct turn signals at a roundabout? The answer will be close to zero. Drivers on our roads have the attitude "everyone else does it, so can I." What b****ks. Know this: Rules exist to prevent chaos. Follow them, regardless of what the other idiots around you may do. (When was the last time you saw someone turning right at a roundabout and correctly using firstly their right indicator, followed by their left indicator after they pass the exit prior to the exit that they are going to take? - If you did see someone do this - it was me).

Bike riders - a special message for you - it is not OK to overtake in a lot of cases. It is never OK to double-overtake. It is absolutely f*****g never OK to overtake me so close to me that you actually make contact with me and clip my wing-mirror - this has happened (I ride a bike too but hope to change to a car when I can). Overtaking on the left when traffic is moving forward is stupid and dangerous. Forcing oncoming traffic to take evasive action is wrong.

Car drivers - pulling out of a junction when a bike is coming toward you is wrong. Leaving a motorcyclist with the choice of slamming on their brakes causing them to skid, or t-boning you is careless and idiotic. This has happened to me. Rear-ending motorcyclists is unacceptable, especially when you are not even insured - this has happened to me also. (and not because I leapfrogged anybody). Another one - don't f*****g tailgate me, and that includes taxi-drivers.

Car-drivers - fog lights are for foggy conditions, so if it isn't foggy - TURN THE FOGGING THINGS OFF!.

Bike-riders - if you're not going to bother fastening your helmet, just don't bother wearing one.

Bike-riders - I am sure you feel really cool when you ride with one hand on the handlebars and one on your lap. But it's against the law. You may be safe 99.99% of the time doing this, but what happens when you suddenly need to take evasive action?

Car-drivers - Sticking on your indicator when at a junction, or pulling out of a parking lot does not give you the right of way. If it's convenient for me, I will stop and let you out. If not, stay where you f*****g are and wait your turn. Don't start nosing out and forcing people to stop.

Car-drivers - If I overtake you (which I occasionally do when it is legal to do so) that is not a reason to tailgate me or try to intimidate me off the road. Are you so f*****g insecure that you take personal offence when you are overtaken?

Car-drivers - stay on your own side of the road at ALL TIMES. If you are unable to manouevre your vehicle such that you constantly find yourself straying over the middle line (esp. on Harbour Road) then get off the road. I don't care if the roads are too small - if you are incapable of driving within the laws and the lines, stay off the roads.

Bike-riders - your headlights have a dim swtich. Find out where it is and practice using it before you venture out at night again.

All of you - please do not travel on our roads unless you absolutely definitely know all the rules of the road, and further, have the common human decency and moral courage to abide by them.

Here ends the rant.


Bravo, I couldn't agree more.

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« Reply #88 on: August 13, 2008, 08:05:58 AM »

The fog light issue is easy. Ban them. It's never foggy in Bermuda. Never. Have them removed.

Let's face it, people use them to look cool.
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« Reply #89 on: August 13, 2008, 08:35:49 AM »

"(When was the last time you saw someone turning right at a roundabout and correctly using firstly their right indicator, followed by their left indicator after they pass the exit prior to the exit that they are going to take? - If you did see someone do this - it was me)."

Not wishing to put your article down, as it was good....but "no", it wasn't just you! Rare to see I will grant you - but you aren't the only one doing it. Look in your mirror - I am right behind you.
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