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« on: July 24, 2008, 10:35:28 AM »

Nice one from the Col. today.

http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d87c3330030011&sectionId=60

Okay shouldn't he have said that such individuals will be charged for reckless endangerment after they are rescued ... no instead we get ...

"Let me make it crystal clear to those who have such reckless disregard for their lives by engaging in such activity – if you get into difficulty – the security services will not be further endangering life and limb to rescue you.  I am not prepared to jeopardise the lives of any security personnel."

Rescues are by their very nature dangerous ... and yes frequently the person in need of rescue has only themselves to blame for their predicament ... but to watch a person drown?

Save our Souls!

Shame on you Col. Burch!
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2008, 11:13:31 AM »

Darkside - you are so right. I was amused at the Colon's hissy fit at first but what he is implying is so arrogant and ridiculous and irresponsible. Besides there's probably a whole bunch of wisecrackers out there who are probably now going to want to test him.

Heaven forbid a fisherman gets caught in a sudden storm. "Fool shouldn't be fishing when the shark oils cloudy."

K2U for pointing out the proper way to deal with these situations.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2008, 11:18:51 AM »

While I understand the sentiment, he really needs to stop ranting.

Arrogant, irresponsible, ridiculous. Exactly.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2008, 11:20:23 AM »

 Yoo lutt gat too huptite hall dee tyme. Vie dee hal yoo tink vah gutt hour Nashonal Kote uv Harms for?Huh?

"Quo Fata Ferunt"...........

He has a point to some degree but those making the choice know the risks and they are not stupid.

Knowone would turn their back on someone in distress. Some will say yes they will. One can only do so much. Situations and circumstances dictate what avenue to take.

Just to bore yoo lott.......1983.....Home drinking a beer after a long day. Called to rescue a Wind Surfer 2 miles off Gurnet Rock. Dash to Blue Heron with Perry Fox and 'Mooks' Pitcher. Proceed via Ferry Reach, Castle Harbour, attempting to transit narrows between Gurnet and Charles Island...hit by a thirty foot swell. At the helm was the ole seadog himself 'Foxy' who turns this vessel around, and through shear expericence and knowledge manages to get us between a couples of swells the same size. Whilst the vessel is doing 30 knots with the swell it almost nose dived into Castle harbour. The vessel was at forty five degrees nose down two twenty four inch props flapping in the salty air.

He made a decision to safe his crew because it would have been pointless and useless to continue. The windsurfer was rescued by the US Navy Helicopter.

Sorry for the story book make up of this but sometimes...yah no..........Birchy got a point but under those circumstances the individual would probabley just  end up on shore regardless.

Ok......um gone.........................

A great day too all.............................. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2008, 11:28:16 AM »

Sound like a fun ride. Next time don't take the short cut.... Wink

Did the guy get billed for all the expense involved? I certainly hope so.

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2008, 11:46:07 AM »

 Guess my post got lost in the slow lane.......oh well.

A great day too all.......................... Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2008, 11:49:58 AM »

Aside from the fact that every life is worth saving no matter how foolhardy they are ... I really object to another arbitrary standard being put in place by our government ... who decides whether a person was being reckless and therefore should not be saved under this new policy? ...

Geesh ... choosing who is worth saving and who is not?

Obviously if its too rough to attempt a rescue, then its too rough.  This determination alone should govern!  

I would say the Col. has placed himself in deep and troubled waters through his reckless statement and by his own standards should not be saved.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2008, 12:17:34 PM »

 I think your reading too much into this Darky. I am not a fan of Les. Colonel but I am sure that he would dive in if he could and if warrented by circumstances.

These situations usually boil down to slit seconds decissions and some are capable of an attempt and some are not.

I won't get into the person in a wheelchair sitting on a dock whilst a young child drowns. Ok, I already have.

A prayer too all.

Rummy.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2008, 01:29:32 PM »

Rummy with all deference to you ... the Col. clearly stated ...

"Let me make it crystal clear to those who have such reckless disregard for their lives by engaging in such activity – if you get into difficulty – the security services will not be further endangering life and limb to rescue you.  I am not prepared to jeopardise the lives of any security personnel."

He is going to keep the people who are trained, able and paid to perform such rescues from rescuing folk who "have such reckless disregard for their lives by engaging in such activity" (i.e. watersports during storms) ... heck yes don't attempt a rescue if doing so is unfeasible but what the Col. is saying is you will not be rescued if you have shown reckless disregard for your own life ... an arbitrary determination ... and frankly he is responding to a 16 year old child's comments ... a child ... should we not save a child from his or her reckless disregard?

Teens feel they are invulnerable ... but they are still children and cannot be so harshly held to account for exercising poor judgement ... another statement from our Governemnt which has not been fully thought through and instead rushed to press.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2008, 01:40:50 PM »

*shrugs*

I dunno. I think Col Burch has made a good point. The jobs of the various rescue services are risky enough without wasting resources and risking additional lives for some idiot who ignores the clearly posted signs because of some adrenaline rush. Wanna catch a wave? I'd suggest Sunset Beach. More lives shouldn't be endangered because of reckless, irresponsible danger in the name of recreation.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2008, 01:42:56 PM »

 Darkside.....your third paragragh.....The man made a statement. He is not keeping anyone from doing what they can when they can.

Shit...12 years ago I tried to pull someone from a burning car...I could not get them out I had to back off and have reoccuring thoughts of this all the time.

Think about it........................................
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2008, 01:46:34 PM »

CO ... you're kidding me right?

We are talking about children here ... children ... we must attempt to save them (if feasible) even if they were foolhardy and reckless.

Yes I know ... where are the parents? ... but we still should make every attempt to save a child (or any person) if it is feasible to do so.

What the Col. is saying is akin to standing on the shore and yelling to the drowning person "Before I can come and save you I have to know if you are drowning because you were reckless?"
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 01:52:40 PM »

Darkside.....your third paragragh.....The man made a statement. He is not keeping anyone from doing what they can when they can.

Rummy he is keeping those folk who are trained, able and paid to effect these rescues from doing so ... heck yes they can dive in of their own accord ... but then their actions will not accord with his stated policy and likely they will be on their own should they come to harm during the attempt at rescue.

The statement is ill-conceived and he should retract it immediately .... Shame on you Col. Burch.
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« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 01:55:28 PM »

Darkside, look at it this way. He is protecting these "reckless" children from dealing with the anguish that could be caused if they went out surfing on a lark during a hurricane and a rescuer actually died trying to save them...
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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2008, 02:00:42 PM »

Alsys...no he's not. By engaging his mouth before putting his brain into gear, he's just come across as a complete twat.
While I agree with what I think he's trying to say, which is, be careful and not reckless and heed safety warnings, he's drawing some arbitary line as to when or not to rescue someone in distress.
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