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« Reply #150 on: August 25, 2008, 11:23:29 AM »

UE...

No - I think there is a disparity. I am not playing Devil's Ad. Just that I get kinda concerned when people hang their hats on 22% when with a different avg value - it could (probably will be ) different.
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« Reply #151 on: August 25, 2008, 11:24:21 AM »

Jesus is this shooting fish in a barrel day? To paraphrase your normal strident shrieking schtick"where did I say that blacks only go to crappy schools'? They don't - I didn't....

Median analysis is a cack handed way of looking at it - the small sample size is skewed by tenured Bermudian posts and by a small number of Wharton guys et al who manage the businesses and raise capital - for underwriting jobs you can commoditize qualifications to a degree (outside of quant models) and for broking all you need is the ability to count to eleven without the need to remove your shoes...
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« Reply #152 on: August 25, 2008, 11:24:37 AM »

One other point - and this is really not political.

I would like to see the raw data.
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« Reply #153 on: August 25, 2008, 11:26:15 AM »

Oh come on Guilden. Thats not a derailment and you know it. Your spinning your own irony with that. Give me a break. It's Ironic, you know it. Now get back too the topic.

I say irony and you have to double spin. How much they paying you?
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« Reply #154 on: August 25, 2008, 11:36:19 AM »

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I think if the mean income was used you would find that the disparity would be even greater because I do believe there are a disproportionate number of whites to blacks in positions of senior management across all sectors. Actually, if you look at Table 6 on page 64 of the Census Report you will see that there were total of 7,740 Professional, Technical Related positions in the economy and the split was 3,185 blacks to 3,857 whites. There was also a total of 4,055 Administrative and Managerial positions with the split being 1,331 blacks to 2,357 whites.
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« Reply #155 on: August 25, 2008, 11:39:59 AM »

Thanks Guilden.

I guess that just leaves the modal values. Question - do we know how jobs are 'slotted' into these various groups? Presumably it's a little course - as there is no form of national job evaluation structure - is there?
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« Reply #156 on: August 25, 2008, 11:41:23 AM »

KK.. I was just clarifying. Thanks. *grin*
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« Reply #157 on: August 25, 2008, 11:41:39 AM »

Martin -  I believe there is a job evaluation structure. Will post when I get my hands on the information.
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« Reply #158 on: August 25, 2008, 11:43:44 AM »

Thanks CO - very helpful. Hopefully it lends more towards the 'quantitative type rather than the crude types that abound.
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« Reply #159 on: August 25, 2008, 11:43:51 AM »

Jesus is this shooting fish in a barrel day? To paraphrase your normal strident shrieking schtick"where did I say that blacks only go to crappy schools'? They don't - I didn't....

Median analysis is a cack handed way of looking at it - the small sample size is skewed by tenured Bermudian posts and by a small number of Wharton guys et al who manage the businesses and raise capital - for underwriting jobs you can commoditize qualifications to a degree (outside of quant models) and for broking all you need is the ability to count to eleven without the need to remove your shoes...

Mambo,

Median may be crack handed as you say but I can only use the information in the format it is provided.

I will use the numbers as relates to Bermudians only, which should exclude most of the Wharton guys and those who manage the businesses and raise the capital, the median incomes are $35,464 blacks compared to $43,341 whites.

In the final analysis, you may not see that there is a problem with the disparities that exist and that is your perogative, I happen to see these disparities as a long standing problem.

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« Reply #160 on: August 25, 2008, 11:45:49 AM »

"my trip home served to re-prove to me that the sentiments on this site are very, very much in the minority - so much so that it's practically non existent out in the real world of bda."

Hmmmm.... and the sentiments of this site are? Let me guess.... black people suck, black people are useless, black people cannot run a country..... got it.

I can just imagine tigga spent half his time talking to others and "suggesting" they check out how racist this site is. "Coincidently" at the very same time he is "back home" Crimson Dynamo comes out with a blog post claiming Bermuda Sucks is Institutionally Racist and even names who tigga is in real life. How convenient for tigga eh? The world's a stage I tell you.

After perusing a few other blogs/web-sites in bermuda I would have say the acid test doesn't exactly get passed by them. Could the PLP's own websites also be considered "Institutionalized Racist" especially the youth wing's ProgressiveMinds site. And the PLP is the government so what does that say?

But the real issue is touched up on by Bermuda Rasta when he brings up "bias". I'd disagree to a greater extent that we see Institutionalized Racism as much as we see Institutionalized Bias. Here, on other sites or in Bermuda itself.

The only person trying to paint this site with the racist brush is tigga. Also known as ....http://jonnystar.wordpress.com/..... because he and his cohorts need to create distraction from how the government is being run as well as the personal failures of many government officials. If the concerns that are expressed on this site with how the island is being managed, especially in these tough times, then it does not say much for the people tigga claims to be hanging out with or the future of Bermuda. either that or it simply shows that since they are doing OK no-one else really matters.


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« Reply #161 on: August 25, 2008, 11:47:24 AM »

Thanks Guilden.

I guess that just leaves the modal values. Question - do we know how jobs are 'slotted' into these various groups? Presumably it's a little course - as there is no form of national job evaluation structure - is there?

Martin,

Will the modal values realy be helpful, isn't the modal value simply the number that appears most often?
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« Reply #162 on: August 25, 2008, 11:49:00 AM »

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Erm - yes I think so. I mean at the end of the day there is an issue here that needs to be sorted - averages apart. But as I said earlier - I don't want to get hung up on 22%.

It could be anything?
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« Reply #163 on: August 25, 2008, 11:50:36 AM »

Guilden - sorry forgot.

Yes - you're right about the mode.
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« Reply #164 on: August 25, 2008, 12:01:42 PM »

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Erm - yes I think so. I mean at the end of the day there is an issue here that needs to be sorted - averages apart. But as I said earlier - I don't want to get hung up on 22%.

It could be anything?

I do not disagree with you, to me the more important issue is that in this day and age there is still a disparity. If I am not mistaken, the census is taken every 10 years, which means the next one will be taken in 2010. We may find at that point the disparity is nto as significant although I would expect it to have actually widened due to the crisis that is the public education system, a system that is filled with prodominantly black students. Although I still argue that no matter the educational system, the success of a student is directly related to the involvement of the parent(s). This crisis cannot and should not be lable as racist as I think it is more a political failure n the part of both governing partiies than it is a racist plot.
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