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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2008, 09:16:26 AM »

Well keeping some of the more ... shall we say .... "expressive" posters in line and focused is my "job" ... but only on the Politics threads ... wonder why I put this one here? ... Well now you know ... LOL.

Some posters just have issues with one another that dissolve very quickly into name-calling, trolling and baiting ...

Take for instance what is likely about to occur between UE and Rummy on this thread ... down boys ... think happy thoughts ... please.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2008, 09:21:24 AM »

Perhaps, The D.

My response to that though would be that... well... the majority of posters 'in here' are probably white/ non-black... On that basis if there is a different reaction based on the 'oh well he (biggie) isn't talking about me, isn't that precisely what JS alludes to on his site? There is a natural and even explanable difference in the reaction [as you point out] which can be perceived by some in racist terms. It's the appearane of condoning one behaviour while smacking the other one down that then lends the perception of something more untoward.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2008, 09:29:19 AM »

@ CO - I think you're probably right. My approach with Biggie was simply to see his name and not read whatever it was he posted, whereas with Tigga I do tend to read what he's posting. I'm not sure about the psychology of that, maybe just that I view Biggie's posts as not worth my attention.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2008, 09:39:44 AM »

Not I, Darks. I just asked a question, then made a comment.
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2008, 09:41:29 AM »

Oh UE hush up. You take too many things literal. It's just me and my persona, thats all. If you haven't realised that yet, well one day you will. I still love you. There will be no screaming match from me. This is too far a serious matter.

Have a karma from me. Hope it brightens your day a bit.

Ps. The only time you'll get censored here is if you cut and paste photo's of yourself wearing a speedo whilst rehersing for yah hup cummin Broadway debute...............

Gotta run.................a great day too all.......

Pps. Darky....dets nut nice vat yoo sayed.....detz a form of "bring it on" using a very small hook.......
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2008, 09:44:07 AM »

LiF - So shouldn't we be asking ourselves why the white racist(?) guys posts are viewed in a different light than the black (racist) guys? Why do we overlook one and not the other? All rhetorical questions...
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2008, 09:51:42 AM »

Anyone consider that tigga has just been toying with the posters here?  

"Holding a mirror up to the site" ... not really ... I believe that tigga likes and encourages posters to engage with him ... he gotten some good laughs (and a dare say a fright or two) from some of our posters' responses ... Biggie just wanted us to agree with his point of view without engaging him (engaging Biggie led to photoshop abuse) ... tigga on the other hand loves the engagement ... and once in while tigga will engage meaningfully and have a reasoned discussion ... and I believe its worth it to wait it out with tigga for such reasoned responses (Biggie never seemed to get to this point).

In the end Biggie is a bully and tigga is a prankster ... most of us will ignore a bully while "playing" with a prankster.
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2008, 09:56:38 AM »

UE/Rummy

Sure lets go to the tank ... I'm in the mood ...

Yes, my comment had a small "baited" hook in it ... and please note you both took it ... and now I don't have to worry about you guys engaging each other as you can now come after me instead.

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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2008, 10:05:55 AM »

I think your wrong Darky with that statement. I do worry about your motive though. I will not be easily led astray by your intentions. If you need a venting process, start one in the tank as you stated.

If your in the "mood", then I suggest you find a willing partner and have a great and sexual day. Kiss
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2008, 10:15:20 AM »

Rummy I think most posters know I am always up for a "dip in the tank" ... and thanks I'm having a fine day.
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2008, 10:16:03 AM »

As far as i was concerned:

Biggie/Sal acted the idiot and is easily dismissed.

Tigga/roger/etc/etc/etc ACTS the ass and is determined to get a response.

Both represent negativity and all that is wrong in human behaviour towards one another.  Admittedly i ended up scrolling over anything that was posted Biggie/Sal because it was the same thing over and over, which was almost always directed at the "establishment".  Whereas Tigga customizes his responses for any person(s) so that it's personal.

The whole Karma thing, to me, has been built up so much that it's really comical.  There have been flame wars between members based on who karma'd who and who smited who for what reasons.  It's silly.  I joked about being a karmaholic before and that's what it was....jokes.  If i was  +500 or -500....WHO CARES?!?!

But the bottom line is there is racism in the world...and probably always will be.  To hide behind it or use it as a crutch is the individuals choice.  Just don't expect others to agree with it.  There's trials and tribulations everywhere in the world....hardship is a given...some are lucky enough to see very little of it and others are not so fortunate.  Just be happy that you are in a place where you can voice your opinion and stop taking things so damn personal....jeez.

Okay i've said my piece...rant over...carry on.

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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2008, 10:17:43 AM »

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Why is it that I am being treated in the same way as Rummy?

Do I attack others just because I don't like them? Do I post incoherent, incomprehensible, off-topic derailments?
No, I don't.

Do I make baseless accusations, then run away from what I said?
No, I don't.

So why am I being lumped in with him? I'm offended that you're basically, not in so many words, likening me to him and calling me a troll and I really don't appreciate it.



Cap'n C,

That's not a bad analysis of Sal and Tigga.
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2008, 10:22:13 AM »

Picture this forum as a neighborhood with all sorts of different types of people.  For the most part, everyone gets along pretty well, has good conversations, the occasional argument, but in general, it’s a pretty pleasant atmosphere.  Some people are more outspoken than others, while some people rarely venture outside and enter the mix, happy to sit in the safety of their living room and just people watch.

Then you have biggie.  He’s a white racist, and most of what he says is pretty offensive to most of the people in the neighborhood, and every once in a while one or two of the neighbors will take him to task.  Tell him that he’s pissing people off, to cut it out.  But he’s not taken seriously by most of the  neighborhood, largely ignored, because he’s a dying breed.

On the other hand you have tigga.  He doesn’t venture out and mix with the rest of the group very often, but once in a while he’ll open his window and shout “CRACKER ASS CRACKERS!!”  People get annoyed, tell him to shut up, go away, whatever.  They go about their business, but every now and then when they stop on the street to speak to each other they are interrupted.  It’s tigga again, screaming from his window.  “YOU ARE A BUNCH OF RACIST CRACKERS!!”.  Ignore him they try, but it’s not easy, he’s pretty loud.  Sometimes he’ll venture out into the street and start a conversation.  “Hey, how about this weather?”, he’ll say.  “Well, it looked pretty nasty this morning, but…..” and in mid sentence he gets right up in your face and shouts “CRACKER CRACKER CRACKER!!” and runs back into his house and slams the door shut. 

Now, come Halloween, which house do you think will get more eggs thrown at it? 

I don’t know if having different approaches to these two is a form subconscious racism, maybe it is.  I suppose it depends, was biggie never shouted down or smited?  Maybe just knowing that someone else has spoken to him about his behavior makes the rest of the posters comfortable enough to stay out of it.  Is that right?  Racist? I don’t know.  But I think the reaction to tigga is different because the nature of their posts are different.  Tigga attacks the neighborhood, so the neighborhood attacks back. 
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »

D, rofl

Spot on, man. And I see what you are saying. But the questions need to be asked if only to make sure that what has happened to the two posters is completely above the board. Do I think the people who post on here are racist? No of course not but I do see some racial reactions? Yep, I do. All of us are racailly biased to a certain degree (and yep, I'm so included in that statement). We can't help but be. Racial tensions are part of our RL so it spills over on here. And it doesn't bother me. What is bothering is when people aren't truthful and admit that it happens. It doesn't make us racists to see colour, it is only when we try to deny that we can come across as biased (in a underhanded manner).

Me, I'd rather someone tell me that they subconscious have racial reactions but because they notice this and accept it as a part of the wortld we live in that they try harder to even the playing field.
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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2008, 11:32:53 AM »

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Why is it that I am being treated in the same way as Rummy?

 

So why am I being lumped in with him? I'm offended that you're basically, not in so many words, likening me to him and calling me a troll and I really don't appreciate it.

UE, chill man. You could never be treated like me. Until you walked in my shoes carefull what you say my friend.

If your "offended" thats not my problem. I am sure one day you will turn out to be just like me. It takes time, commitment, courage, self discipline, productivity and self reliance. I know you have all those qualities but yah juss a squirt. Hang in there. Your biggest problem in your life is that you are skinny like me.  Look in the mirror and think of me and how I won the Gold Medal in waking up, smelling the roses and having a laugh.

What the hell did you do with those Cedar beams anyway.....? Prubly smoked dem......... Smiley
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