Smoking Gun -

Although this post was directed to Guilden, I feel the overwhelming need to "pull a UE".




A couple of points here:

1. Nobody is in 'cahoots'. You seem to be under the impression that there was some temper tantrum on the part of one or more indvidiuals that precipitated some sort of group exodus when the reality is that decisions to stop posting were made independently of each other.

2. Also, I'm not sure who the "lurkers" are, although I have a feeling if they were PLP supporters as you suggest, that they would do less lurking and more posting in counter-action to some of the statements that are made on this site. Furthermore... I'm not sure there are that many gluttons for punishment. To post on here and be constantly taken to task, berated and asked for evidence of our positions does get a bit tiresome... particularly when presenting evidence supporting a position or opinion and being challenged on whether it is in fact such... See next quote below.


Hello Pot?

Seriously. I think most of the individuals on this forum would be happy to, and in fact DO concede the point when there is one. Personally, I am tired of being asked to look at something from another perspective when I'm not afforded the same courtesy. I could list examples of such, but quite frankly, it's not worth all those little baby electrons.


And you wuld willingly ignore the fact that maybe, just maybe this is somebody with an ax to grind and therefore their judgement may just be a little skewed against the PLP and EB? The motive of posters such as tigga, even Guilden, Laverne Furbert, etc is constantly drawn into question. How many times has the insinuation been made that these individuals are being paid been made? Hell. Individuals have speculated on the motives of Ewart Brown, Jamahl Simmons, Gwyneth Rawlins, etc, etc, etc yet when an individual who has has failed dealings with the Government (including a bribe attempt) starts bad-mouthing the Government, YOU choose to ignore the obvious and focus on the "important, underlying issue". Funny thing that.

Oh. And another thing that strikes me is that I am labeled a PLP apologist in spite of the fact that I have repeatedly stated that I am not a member or supporter of the PLP. But any attempt at open-minded dicussion on the Gov is automatically perceived as pro-PLP or results in a label as a PLP apologist. Which says more about the motives and abiilities of some other posters to view things in an open-minded fashion and keep things in context/perspective.

Oh. And one more thing. Your little jabs that the shutdown in discussion came when the "tough questions" were being asked is hogwash. I think you know myself, and Guilden, and the other usual suspects better than that. We've never shied away from tough questions (although again, not sure why we're the one being grilled, but anywhooo *shrugs*).

Christ CO, are we sharing a brain?? LOL. Now they REALLY are gonna think we are in cahoots...

CO - great example of what long-line fishing can do. You always catch a couple of stray birds.

As to your arguments:

A: Cahoots. A bit of a prod at Guilden who has publicly stated in the past (Limey's site) that he has tried to stymy debate. Also it didn't help that in every pm to me he kept harping on about you and Alsys thinking the same way as him.

B: If the PLP is not reading the local blogs then they are more out of touch than I even thought. I see certain media professionals actually sign in when they come online. Stress on the word "professional". As to getting tiresome - I have to admit that's probably true. But there is one thing that you have been forewarned about: The tigga effect. When he comes on line and just starts being a total freaking ass it puts everyone's hairs up and guess what: You become a victim of his stupidity. It's not fair and you do not deserve to be put in that position.

However I must say one thing: I believe you are reasonable and have good common sense. So therefore I assume you must wonder why every single topic pretty much seems to boil down to race. Good governance? Race. Education? Race. The work place? Race. What happened to the women? The blue collar worker? The snobs? The greedy people? They all come in many hues of a different shade of assorted colours.

C: Hello kettle. I cannot disagree. I can try harder to back you up when you are being put under the gun.

D: So SoO put out a notion that there is some serious social upheaval heading our way and it turns out he's a guy who's got an axe to grind. Did I know that prior? Nope? Does it change the fact that there are many many Bermudians who are in a pretty bad situation and just because one dude with a bad rep making the opening argument mean we all just go "never mind"? I'm sorry, my brain doesn't work like that. trying to bring all the other shmumpkins into the argument is a waste of time. Heck Ewart Brown even confessed the other day that no-one knows his true agenda. Heck even Guilden confessed the other day that he was sitting on SoO's business plan. Why would Guilden Gilbert Jr. who lives in the Bahamas be sitting on SoO's business plan? Bribe or no bribe? Maybe the bribe was to keep the Minister from sharing the plan with others?

E: Your a PLP apologist. I'm a UBP white cracker who has a house in New Zealand. Ce la vie.

D: My little jabs had the desired effect. You're here. Oh and about how tough the topic is. Is tougher than you, me and the whole island even realize. But we've got to get started on it yesterday.

Guilden - nice to know our Honourable Ministers feel free to share whatever business plan they get with friends and family. Via email, snail mail or pigeon post.

As to SoO - as I have told you ad nauseam (a Latin term used to describe an argument that has been continuing "[to the point of] nausea"), it's not just about him but the Bigger picture" which falls squarely in the lap of good governance and fair and equal opportunity. I have even mentioned to you ad nauseam (a Latin term used to describe an argument that has been continuing "[to the point of] nausea") that it falls in the lap of the UBP as well. It's a "Bermuda" issue.

For some reason you just cannot seem to get your head around that. Or choose not to.

"Once again you prove to be such a skeptic..."

LOL - If you only knew. Now I'm getting the feeling you guys are onto me. Do I also have a file in LaVerne's desk?

CO,

I see no need to explain this to Smokes, because no matter what we say we are wrong. His post and his accusations just give additional suport to my impressions on what this site has become. He is only reinforcing what we have been saying all along. Just because I have some information it HAD to have been provided to me by a PLP MP. I wonder why he doesn't ask the Mid Ocean if a UBP MP provided it with the cheques supposedly written to Dr. Brown and Derrick Burgess. I guess he wouldn't ask that question because the story was intended to do exactly what he wants to have happen, that is, discredit the PLP and lable it a party of corrupts.

Actually, you forgot to tell Smokes that there were at least 5 or 6 UBP MPs copied in on the email sent out by SoO. Hey, maybe the information was provided to me by one of the UBP MPs, who knows?

I just caught an image of a bunch of pigs walking around on their hind legs....