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« on: June 11, 2009, 09:26:22 AM »

Oh man



http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE55A2WL20090611


Four Uighur detainees to be resettled in Bermuda: U.S.
Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:52am EDT  Email | Print | Share| Reprints | Single Page[-] Text
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Four Chinese Muslim detainees who had been held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility have been resettled in Bermuda, the U.S. Justice Department said on Thursday.

The Obama administration has been under pressure to resettle the detainees, known as Uighurs, as it tries to fulfill its promise to close the controversial prison for foreign terrorism suspects on the U.S. naval base in Cuba.

The announcement comes one day after the tropical Pacific Island nation of Palau agreed to temporarily take in 17 of the Uighur detainees, which the U.S. government worries may face persecution if they are returned to China.

The Uighurs have been cleared of terrorism allegations.

(Reporting by Andy Sullivan)



© Thomson Reuters 2009 All rights reserved

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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 09:31:37 AM »

Conspiracy therories anyone?

what type of deal do you think is being cut here?



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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 09:46:53 AM »

I have two theories.

One, this is a deal between Brown and the U.S Tax lawmakers to look the other way. Less likely because that would mean Brown was trying to do something to benefit Bermuda.

Two, this is in exchange for Kevin Brown's freedom, or at least a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced sentence. More likely as it fits in with Brown's self-serving agendas.
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 10:37:13 AM »

Yep, those are the two theories that I keep hearing from everyone that I talk to. I guess we will just have to wait and see.

I heard that there was a request submitted to the planning department for an al-qeada training camp in St. Davids. Don't worry though, things take months to get passed around there and it was submitted by guest workers so it probably wont get approved anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 11:30:08 AM »

On the one hand I'm glad "The People of Bermuda" are able to help these guys out. The decision by Brown's Government on behalf of "The People of Bermuda" to do so is the right thing to do.

I'm just sick and tired of Ewart's constant attempts to make it out that he's the big shot and try to one up the Governor. His constant BS about "now it's up to the Governor because of our colonial relationship" crap is nauseating. Ewart claims to have been in negotiation with the US since his trip to DC and yet the UK hasn't been broached on the subject? Give these guys Bermuda status and they have the legal right to go live in England and no-one bothered to check with Gordon Brown? Wow - Obama's people really know how to diss old Gordie don't they. First a bunch of DVD's and now a bunch of former  aledged Muslim Extremists without any notice.

As to the conspiracy theories: If it turns out that Ewart has actually pulled a deal with Obama's people to "improve" his son's situation I'll be the first to stand in line with eggs in hand whenever Ewart shows his face.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 12:03:17 PM »

I think this is disgraceful. Is the Bermuda Government acting outside of its authority here? Arent matters of foreign affairs within the exclusive authority of the U.K. government when it comes to Overseas territories?

All of that aside, and even considering the terrible and illegal treatment that these people have suffered at Gitmo, do we really want these people here. Just because you cant satisfy the legal burden of proof that they were terrorists, doesnt mean that they are innocent. If they were 'cleared' by the U.S. authorities of any terrorist activity, then why cant they stay in the U.S.?  With thousands of Central/South American immigrants jumping the border fence or hitting the high water mark every year, are they really worried about the immigration of these 'safe' detainees? 1 and 1 just doesnt equal 2 in this situation.

Who is going to bear the cost when these people decide they need help in dealing with the trauma of their stay in Gitmo? Are they going to be permitted to work? Are we going to have to support them financially? If they dont need work permits, then they will need to be nationalized - wow - what a deal! There is just so much wrong with this situation. I smell a rat - I think its an E-rat!!
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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 12:10:17 PM »

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"By helping accomplish the president's objective of closing Guantanamo, the transfer of these detainees will make America safer," Attorney General Eric Holder said

from CNN.com

Classic - so happy that America is safer now that these 'innocent' men are in Bermuda!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 12:29:08 PM »

You guys want the latest side-spliter?? These 4 men have had training in Taliban Afghanistan camps.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/06/uighurs_released_to_bermuda_al_1.asp
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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 12:29:19 PM »

haha i saw this on cnn, and had to come back to post.

what a joke.

what the heck are these poor guys going todo? sit around on the wall?

do they even speak english?

that tiny island in the middle of the pacific, got like 10 million a head or something to take care of them - what did bda get?

where are they going to live?

reading in the speech, brown said bermuda accepted vietnamese refugees? this is news to me -  in my number of years on the island, i never ran or even heard of this.

what a total joke.. things like this, i sure don't miss...
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 12:30:53 PM »

"At one point, officials had considered bringing some of the Uighurs to the state of Virginia, where there is a Uighur community, but the possibility provoked intense opposition in Congress, and the plan was shelved."

I guess that's what one calls democracy.

As stated, I'm OK with having these 4 guys allowed to come to Bermuda however, I too agree that it is outrageous the way it has been done. Brown is an embarrassment. Not only should the UK have been in on the deal from the outset, but the people of Bermuda should have had an opportunity to discuss the idea and get an understanding of the true picture. If you let these guys have status doesn't that also mean they can bring their families to Bermuda as well? How many people are we talking about now? 10-20-30 people? What is the expense going to be to the taxpayer upfront and in the long run? Is the US going to help out long term or just for the transfer period?

Back to the conspiracy theories: I'm thinking less to do with his son. Women's rights groups would have him castrated if that were the case. I'm thinking more butt-sucking Obama. But then again, there is always that little IRS department that keeps sticking it's nose in avery psuedo-American's bank account(sssss).


Disclaimer: If Tora Bora is true then I'm not at all happy have them brought here under these circumstances. They should have been completely vetted first and Bermudians should have known what we were getting ourselves into.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 12:59:28 PM »

By Jingus I've got it!!!

http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d965be30030000&sectionId=60

Brown is pulling a Kim Swan! He wants out. Fast. Before the UK pulls a T&C on us. He's done a deal with the devil and put himself in a position where he can fall on his sword claiming he acted as a True Humanitarian and stood up against the evil colonialists! And he can collect his $10 million per head and go live in New York City with his celebrity friends.... bought and paid for by the Bermuda Tourism Department. Ching Ching. Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 01:09:17 PM »

"However this morning it emerged the decision had been taken without the permission of Government House.

Governor Sir Richard Gozney said: “Yes it was done without permission and the Government of Bermuda should have consulted with us because it carries with it foreign policy ground areas and security issues.

“We will now need to assess these four individuals. We were only told this morning.

“We are working with the Government of Bermuda to address these issues. There are two parts to it – the assessing of the individuals and the other is assessing the implications.

“I am not going to pass judgement on it. We are talking to the Premier.”"

Hmmmmm..... I've got a feeling Obama's people are receiving a few phone calls as well....

"Mr. President, Prime Minister Gordon Brown is on the line.... and he's calling collect."
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 01:13:05 PM »

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6480320.ece

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 01:34:11 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090611/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_guantanamo_uighur_detainees



W....T....F...


I don't even know what to say on this one. What on Earth was Brown thinking? No doubt he was compensated well for this nonsense.


Like we have the space here to accept anyone and instantly nationalise them, let alone potential terrorists that the U.S. doesn't want on their soil. It goes against their entire argument for the term limits.

It goes against any sort of right thinking.

Bravo, Dr. Brown, every time I think you can't top yourself you go and prove me wrong. Amazing.
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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 01:40:22 PM »

Hey, look at the bright side. We're finally getting some bang for our mega-bucks on the new london office. Smiley

I can just see it now:

Governor: "Get Premier Brown on the line."
Operator: "Sorry but there's no answer at the London office. It's closed for the day."
Governor: "Then call him at the Cabinet."
Operator: "The Cabinet says we have to wait till the morning when the London office opens."
Governor: "Screw that, just tell Brown that I'm going over to see him in person."
Operator: "He said great..... he'll look out for you on the plane."

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