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« Reply #30 on: June 12, 2009, 05:28:30 AM »

I think Brown is firmly in control, RGP. I think he knows precisely what he is doing. If he gets away with it, he wins. If the UK govt intervene he wins because his followers will resent the 'outside' interference, thereby fueling the independence fire.

Not much has been said about the consequences this will have relating to Bermuda-Chinese relations. Can we afford to be on their s**t list?


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« Reply #31 on: June 12, 2009, 06:36:51 AM »

AIG gets $85 billion in bailout money, yet they can keep their "headquarters" here in Bermuda. The least Bermuda can do is take a couple of scruffy refugees. Come on people. Our financial future for a few 'refugees"? Easy trade off really isn't it? Imagine if Obama had ordered the Bermy shop closed!!!!!

Some times you gotta kiss a little a** to get ahead.

Bad habits... they are so hard to break.


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Re: Chinese Muslims from gitmo to be relocated to Bermuda

« Reply #32 on: June 12, 2009, 07:29:48 AM »

I understand the nature of deals, but you are misinformed. AIG's headquarters are not in Bermuda.


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« Reply #33 on: June 12, 2009, 07:34:12 AM »

Noone is so naive as to think there wasnt a special deal here, and in truth the terms o the deal arent that difficult to figure out. The point is, this was a bullet that Brown could have and should have dodged. The situation with IB would have been resolved without this. In addition, if the absence of these 'refugees' as you call them make the U.S. safer then what have we gotten ourselves into?


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« Reply #34 on: June 12, 2009, 09:28:46 AM »

From the Royal Gazette:

"Speaking on condition of anonymity, a State Department official said Washington negotiated the release of the four Uighurs directly with Bermuda Government on the understanding it was consulting the Governor.

William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, demanded an explanation from Foreign Secretary David Miliband and said the (British) government appeared to have "lost grip of running the country" amid internal Labour party rows over Gordon Brown's future.

"It is astonishing that an agreement of such significance … could have taken place without a ripple reaching Whitehall," Hague said. "The UK is responsible for Bermuda's external relations, defence and security and for appointing its governor. Yet the FCO [Foreign and Commonwealth Office] appears to have had no idea that these discussions were taking place.

"Even before this there were serious questions about whether the government has paid sufficient attention to UK overseas territories. These questions have reached a new level.""

So there you have it. Predictions:

Obama's camp is going to claim they were ~~hood-winked~~ mislead by Brown and Burch into believing they were working with Governor Gozney. They will make a formal apology to the UK FCO and Governor Gozney.

The British Government will accept the apology explaining that their delinquent son (Chris Farley in Black Sheep delinquent) just didn't understand his position in the grand scheme of things. They will then demand that the 4 men cannot receive British Passports until they have been completely vetted.
They will request the US Government to finance their stay in Bermuda whilst the vetting process takes place. Maybe put them up at the soon to be vacated Consulate house in Tucker's Town. The process could take a while but Tucker's Town beats Gitmo by a long shot.

Brown will now become persona non-gratis in the US, UK and Bermuda. All his buddy congressmen will be too busy to take his calls. In other words they will stay as far away as possible from his toxic sludge.

The PLP party will finally say enough is enough he's got to go.... OK that last part was more a dream than a prediction.


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« Reply #35 on: June 12, 2009, 09:32:49 AM »

So I turned on Thaao Dill, the smoke screens and spins are in full effect.

Fully focussing on this as a humanitarian issue, and almost scolding those who take issue with it, he deflects any attempt to address the manner in which it was handled, the possible repercussions and the fact that many others have turned them down.

When a caller brought up the fact that Dr. Brown did not consult with the UK, Thaao said it irritated him that they had to ask for permission for anything, and when the guy said it was law, he begrudgingly acquiesced.

Then Nikki, the next host came in to take over and played the role of the 'everyday joe" while Thaao took the part of the "conscientious guiding hand", and they played out the situation subtly, basically 'performing' how Bermudians should think.

One more time Thaao: this has nothing to do with not wanting to help someone! This has everything to do with the ignorance of proper protocol and procedure by the Bermudian government, and landing us in news headlines all over the world in a negative light and stressing relationships with not just the US, but UK and China. You can spin it all you want, but at the end of the day, that is what the problem is. Stating that "having to ask permission for anything" irritates you, is part of the reason there are so many problems on this island today. It was an irresponsible thing to say and just imagine if everyone felt they did not feel like following the rules and law, because it was "irritating". Just lost any respect for you bro. Pathetic.

Not that it will be addressed, or that anything will come of it, this is Bermuda of course.


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« Reply #36 on: June 12, 2009, 09:50:43 AM »

"When a caller brought up the fact that Dr. Brown did not consult with the UK, Thaao said it irritated him that they had to ask for permission for anything, and when the guy said it was law, he begrudgingly acquiesced."

Thaao's just getting Greasy with it.....

CO - now do you see where I have a problem with the boy/man?

Hmmmmm..... imagine if John Swan had done something like this back in the day. No consulting his own cabinet, nor the UK. No consideration as to what the ramifications would be to the integrity of the Bermuda people. Back of town would be in flames.


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« Reply #37 on: June 12, 2009, 10:16:36 AM »

BREAKING NEWS:

Hillary Clinton has come out with a full and complete explanation as to why the Obama Administration believed the resettling of the four Chinese men, formally with the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, to Bermuda was OK.

Mrs. Clinton stated: "When I was talking to Senator Burch on the phone he told me he had no problem with the Eastern Tucker's Town Islamic Movement"


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Re: Chinese Muslims from gitmo to be relocated to Bermuda

« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2009, 10:20:26 AM »

We are not amused: Slap

...this is a great article!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8096925.stm


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« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2009, 11:40:51 AM »

Guess this whole situation isn't going to help bring any Chinese Tourists to the island...

http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?sectionId=60&articleId=7d7b0be30030000


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« Reply #40 on: June 12, 2009, 11:56:22 AM »

Au contraire.... knowing Ewart he's probably already got four freshly minted Bermudians picked out to open up the office. He says their Chinese is a little rusty but according to Burch they should be good to go within days..... just got to figure out what the currency exchange rate is with Beijing. Wink


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« Reply #41 on: June 12, 2009, 12:00:15 PM »

Picnic in the Parliament's Park..... who's coming?


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« Reply #42 on: June 12, 2009, 03:42:08 PM »

Quote from: sandgrownan on June 12, 2009, 07:29:48 AM

I understand the nature of deals, but you are misinformed. AIG's headquarters are not in Bermuda.

If you had noted my message i had put "headquarters in ""... my message was a jab... not a serious one though.

I'm not always "misinformed".


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Re: Chinese Muslims from gitmo to be relocated to Bermuda

« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2009, 04:07:25 PM »

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I am sure that it has not escaped any of us the recent action taken by the Bermuda government to accept four Guantanamo prisoners to come and live in Bermuda. The public outcry and the clear disapproval by the British Government shown over the last two days over this issue, clearly shows that this is yet another act of our self professed dictator doing whatever he wants.

The issue at hand is not the fact that these prisoners have been allowed to come to Bermuda (Bermudians are after all a kind and generous people). The main issues are these:

a) The Premier and his government deliberately went ahead and agreed to accept these four prisoners without consulting the British government or the people of Bermuda. The announcement from the Bermuda government about this issue was released Thursday morning but the prisoners arrived in secret the night before!

b) These four prisoners are being given Bermudian citizenship - something that many people here have been striving to get for decades.

For every Bermudian who cares about their future and the future of the island and want to see a change in the direction of this government, a protest is being organised for this coming Tuesday, June 16th at 12.30pm. We will stand in unity outside of parliament to show that we do not agree with how this has been handled. Come out and join us. Be bold and stand for what you believe is the right thing.

If you want some background information, please click on the links below.

(If you agree with the governments actions that is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.)

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Brown: There was no 'quid quo pro' - The Royal Gazette

ttp://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d9664730030004&sectionId=60

UBP proposes motion of no confidence - The Royal Gazette

http://www.royalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d9664630030002&sectionId=60

Row erupts over Guantanamo deal - The BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8096335.stm

British anger at Bermuda decision to accept Guantánamo Bay inmates
US did not consult Foreign Office about move to resettle Chinese Uighurs in British island territory - guardian.co.uk

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/12/bermuda-accepts-guantanamo-detainees

Bermuda should have 'consulted' UK on Uyghurs, official says

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/12/gitmo.detainees/index.html

Guantanamo and the mouse that roared - By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent BBC News website - The BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8096925.stm

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Hope to see you all there!

Have a great holiday weekend!


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Re: Chinese Muslims from gitmo to be relocated to Bermuda

« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2009, 05:04:17 PM »

Hi, I don't usually participate in ongoing discussions, prefering to just follow and read what others have to say. I just had to chime in about this situation. I feel so sorry about what these poor fellows have gone through recently, I myself had no nationality for many years until I applied and received my American nationality. I was born and spent my childhood in Bermuda some 30 years ago and out of no fault of my own left the island to acompany my parents to their homeland. I'm not disputing the right of the government of Bermuda to decide who has the right to Bermudian citizenship, it just feels like a very crisp and forceful slap in the face to find that these poor refugees may be eligible for Bermudian citizenship, something that I've always dreamed of, especially since I was actually born in Bermuda, have a British dependant territories passport and a Bermudian birth certificate and I have no rights whatsoever to return to the land that I first set my eyes on. I don't want to start any arguments with anyone here who has a differing opinion than mine, I'm just adding another view point to the discussion. Does anyone else see the Hypocrisy in this?


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