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« Reply #60 on: June 16, 2009, 08:01:40 AM »

According to the paper there's a protest march planned for 12:30pm today. In other news, Laverne is planning a "counter attack" in her words. 

I see rivers of blood running in the streets...mobilise the regiment and their wooden rifles!!
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« Reply #61 on: June 16, 2009, 08:23:52 AM »

Two demo's....? Interesting. Guess the Prem will be in his office today.
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« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2009, 08:56:48 AM »

Anyone really know the truth?

Gazette: The four Chinese Muslims released from Guantánamo Bay to come to Bermuda say they had never even heard of al Qaeda until they arrived at the US prison camp where they have been confined for the past seven years.

http://www.theroyalgazette.com/siftology.royalgazette/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d966a73003003d&sectionId=60

MON: ALL four of the Uighurs released to Bermuda yesterday from Guantanamo Bay trained at the Tora Bora terrorist camp in Afghanistan, it has emerged.

The former detainees all admitted to having trained at the camp, which was run by the Eastern Turkistan Islamic Movement, a group designated as a terrorist organisation by both the United States and United Nations.

According to the US State Department, members of the ETIM have fought alongside the Taliban and al Qaeda and threatened last year to attack the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

http://www.midoceannews.bm/siftology.midoceannews/Article/article.jsp?articleId=7d9663f30080000&sectionId=60
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« Reply #63 on: June 16, 2009, 10:02:11 AM »

If it is found to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt that the former detainees, that are the subject of this thread, did indeed train in a camp run by an Islamic group, This may have the potential to become an even greater issue than it has been so far. As far as a previous post refering to how "Humanitarian and corageous" the act of allowing these gentlemen in to Bermuda is, please do wait until we are clear as to who these men really are and where they have been. I am concerned with these new revelations about training camps and relationships with Islamic groups. I sincerely hope that all ends well.
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« Reply #64 on: June 16, 2009, 10:16:40 AM »

Paget - nothing to do with the Government. Everything to do with how the sessions operate. When some backbencher can get up and say "The right honourable member of the house is a complete and utter twat with a a very lonely girlfriend who wouldn't know how to make love to her even if Rambo was with him!" and be laughed off do you think some Chinese guy half way around the world is going to get him upset? Smiley

TrudyBond: As mentioned by others. This has absolutely nothing to do with the so-called humanitarian aspect of what is happening. This was a ploy by Brown and everyone and their sons know it. He even admits it.

Being the psychologist how do you sum up Brown's follow up quote: "Had I know this would cause such a firestorm I would have thought twice about doing it."? Well he did know what was coming. He even admitted he knew well before hand. He intended to create the firestorm. A true humanitarian knowing full well what might be the case wouldn't second guess themselves one bit.

The real humanitarians here are the People of Bermuda. We will always reach out when we can. This is not the first time we've done so. We will take care of these guys if they prove to be as "innocent' as everyone says. But that does not change the fact that Bermuda does not need Ewart Brown. He's pulled one too many stunts and this time he's lost all his credibility with the people.

There is a reason Barrack Obama does not have both the codes and the keys to the nuclear bombs in his desk.
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« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2009, 01:30:40 PM »

US - Psychologists for Social Responsibility praises Bermuda government... [2009-06-15 OpEdNews]

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June 15, 2009 at 18:33:50

Psychologists for Social Responsibility praises Bermuda government

by Stephen Soldz

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Psychologists for Social Responsibility [PsySR] < http://psysr.org/ > has issued a statement in support of the Bermuda government's willingness to take in four of the Uighers who have been wrongfully imprisoned at Guantanamo for many years. As the decision has aroused internal opposition, it is important for the Bermuda government to know that people around the world notice their praiseworthy action. I don't know about you, but I can see a Bermuda vacation in my future!

   Psychologists for Social Responsibility thanks the government of Bermuda and Bermuda Premier Dr. Ewart Brown for their humanitarian action in allowing four wrongfully detained Uighers to settle there upon their release after years of detention at Guantanamo. This action is an important statement on behalf of Bermuda in support of human rights and common decency. We encourage other governments around the world, especially the United States government, to emulate Bermuda and also take in Guantanamo detainees.

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« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2009, 02:01:39 PM »

Bermuda - Bermudians protesting against Premier Brown's policies today... [2009-06-16 Daily Mail]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1193420/Milibands-frank-conversation-Clinton-U-S-decision-transfer-Guantanamo-detainees-Bermuda.html



Bermudians protesting against Premier Brown's policies outside Bermuda's House of Parliament in Hamilton today
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« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2009, 02:14:48 PM »

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« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2009, 06:01:10 AM »

Couple of comments...Dianne Abbott isn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. I remember her in opposition on "Question Time" (BBCTV show - political talk) and she was firmly a prime example of "The Looney Left".

Secondly. the PLP's spin on this is nauseating. Whatever backroom deal was made, or whatever the motive (it will be a while before we are blessed with this information) if you think this was merely the Doc. and his humanitarian credentials you are a f*cking idiot. The man has never done anything without thought to his personal gain. The four individuals concerned are pawns in a larger game.



G'day, sandgrownan et al...

In the hope of it being discussed on Britain's BBC one "This Week" program tonite— 2009-06-18 23.35 BST..

I 2009-06-18 10.30 BST e-mailed the BBC one "This Week" program via:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_week/contact_us/default.stm

Greetings, all...

Please discuss Diane's article:

Jamaica - Is Britain behind Bermuda's taking of Guantanamo detainees? [2009-06-14 Jamaica Observer]

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/html/20090613T220000-0500_153470_OBS_IS_BRITAIN_BEHIND_BERMUDA_S_TAKING_OF_GUANTANAMO_DETAINEES_.asp

As a former honorary consul of Denmark to Bermuda—1969-1984... I think Dr Ewart Brown's alleged humanitarian endeavors went well beyond the remit of a British Overseas Territory premier...

Thank you...

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G'day, sandgrownan et al...

In the hope of it being discussed on Britain's BBC one "This Week" program tonite— 2009-06-18 23.35 BST..


Wishful thinking on my part, I'm sorry to report...

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« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2009, 05:38:04 AM »

US - Check your towel for a hand grenade wrapped in it the next time you’re in Bermuda... [2009-06-19 North Star Writers Group]

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« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2009, 12:58:58 AM »

US - Lobbyist with ties to Obama helped transfer four detainees to Bermuda... [2009-06-30 The Hill]
           
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Lobbyist with ties to Obama helped transfer four detainees to Bermuda

By Kevin Bogardus

Posted: 06/30/09 07:14 PM [ET]

A law firm has removed a photograph from its website illustrating a lobbyist’s involvement in the transfer of four Guantánamo Bay detainees to Bermuda.

The photograph was on the website for Bingham McCutchen, a law firm representing — on a pro bono basis — four Chinese Uighurs held at Guantánamo.

The photograph, which is part of a press release highlighting the firm’s involvement with the detainees, shows Art Collins, a lobbyist for Bermuda’s government, standing with the released prisoners and their lawyers on an airport tarmac in Bermuda.

Collins is well-known in political circles and worked as a strategist during President Obama’s run for the White House. During the campaign and since taking office, Obama has sought to keep lobbyists at an arm’s length as part of an effort to change Washington’s culture.

After The Hill asked attorneys at Bingham about Collins’s involvement with the placement of the Uighurs in Bermuda, the firm removed the photo from its website. It replaced it with a photo of the four detainees stepping off their charter flight to Bermuda.

Collins, president and CEO of Public Private Partnership, declined to comment on the photograph or his work with the Uighurs.

“It is our policy to not comment on the service we provide to any of our public or private clientele,” Collins said to The Hill in an e-mail.

A spokeswoman for Bingham McCutchen declined to comment about the photograph switch.

A Bermudan government press official said settling the four Uighurs in Bermuda was not Collins’s idea, but that he helped facilitate the transfer.

“Art Collins does indeed do work for the government of Bermuda, but he did not propose the transfer of innocent detainees from Guantánamo Bay to Bermuda,” said Glenn Jones, press secretary to Bermuda Premier Dr. Ewart Brown. “He did, however, assist in facilitating this humanitarian gesture.”

A White House spokesman declined to comment for this story.

Accepting the detainees was considered a diplomatic plus for Bermuda, though Bermudan officials have insisted they received nothing in return. Obama said earlier this month that he was “grateful” to the country for taking in the former prisoners.

Bermuda could have something to gain from being in the administration’s good graces, as the White House has targeted Bermuda in the past for tax issues. According to a May 4 fact sheet put out by the White House, the country is identified as a major tax haven for U.S. corporations, which the administration plans to eliminate.

Besides serving as a strategist for Obama during the then-Illinois senator’s presidential run last year, Collins also served as a public liaison for the administration’s transition team. Additionally, Collins was a senior adviser to Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) during his 2004 White House run, and serves as treasurer for the Congressional Black Caucus Political Education and Leadership Institute.

Collins’s agreement to represent Bermuda is worth $200,00 and lasts a year from April 1, according to the contract filed with the Justice Department. Collins is working on “strengthening the U.S. relationship with the foreign principal,” according to the contract.

The Uighurs held at Guantánamo Bay have been a political hot potato for the administration. Lawmakers have prevented their placement in the U.S., and other countries have been reluctant to accept them, partly out of fear of angering China.

China sees the Uighurs, who were cleared years ago of being enemy combatants by the U.S. government, as hostile and it is believed they would face certain persecution and even torture by Chinese authorities.

Bermuda’s acceptance of the detainees has been praised by government officials and human-rights organizations.

The move to accept the detainees, however, triggered consternation from another ally, the United Kingdom. The British, as the head of the commonwealth, were upset that they were not consulted in advance by either the American or Bermudan governments regarding the transfer.

Outside of Collins’s firm, Bermuda has a small clutch of lobbyists working on its behalf in Washington, including Darlene Richeson, a former Verizon lobbyist. The country also employs Patton Boggs, with Rodney Slater, the former Clinton administration Transportation secretary, leading the account, according to Justice Department records. Bermuda’s contracts suggest its lobbying team’s primary focus is on tax and regulatory issues.

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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2009, 05:42:49 PM »

Bermuda - U.S. Secretary of State Thanks, Praises Bermuda... [2009-07-13 SFCN]

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Monday, July 13, 2009

U.S. Secretary of State Thanks, Praises Bermuda

HAMILTON, Bermuda - Bermuda's Premier Dr. Ewart Brown has received a letter from U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton thanking Bermuda for the decision to accept and resettle four innocent Uighurs formally detained at Guantanamo Bay. Secretary Clinton also praised Bermuda’s international leadership on the issue.

She wrote: “I want to extend my sincerest thanks to you and the Bermudian government for resettling four Uighur Guantanamo Bay detainees. I recognize the many difficulties associated with this humanitarian effort, both at home and abroad; I hope that your courageous action will inspire others to step forward and join us in the ongoing effort to close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center. Indeed, Bermuda’s leadership significantly advanced that effort.”

Secretary Clinton joins other U.S. Congressional and Administration leaders in praising Bermuda for its humanitarian efforts including: President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee Patrick Leahy, Committee on Homeland Security Chairman Bennie Thompson and Foreign Affairs Sub-Committee Chairman and Ranking Member Bill Delahunt and Dana Rohrabacher.

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Reprieve and the Constitution Project are among the human rights organizations that have publicly praised Bermuda’s humanitarian gesture.

“The international community has responded overwhelmingly in favor of Bermuda’s humanitarian decision,” said Premier Brown. “I am proud of the international leadership we have shown on this issue. I note Italy, Portugal and member states of the European Union have all announced plans to do as we have done in Bermuda.

“Clearly being small does not mean we can not lead. On this issue, we have led.”

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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2009, 06:56:05 PM »

And I just want to say to Hillary and all those fantastic true leaders of the free world.... we squeezed 4 into 21 sq miles. How many can you fit into the US. And I'm not just talking about the one's you locked up in Gitmo. I'm talking about all those that will be flooding into Afghanistan trying to flee the Chinese crack down....

Pray tell?
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« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2009, 03:51:15 AM »

US - U.S. helped Chinese interrogate Uighurs at Guantanamo... [2009-07-16 McClatchy]

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/72000.html
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