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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2009, 01:06:02 PM »

Don't do a "politician" on me Tigga. Answer the question. We would still be racists wouldn't we?

The politics things is a vehicle - it becomes yet another thing on which you can launch your attack?

The reality is - we are white - and you don't like white people. You have white Canadian friends so you tell us - but they are an exception. You cannot forget your history (which I understand) - but you also want to punsih this (and the next generation - and the next - and the next) for the foolishness of the whites of yesterday.

It suits you to do that - I do understand. All I am asking in a round about way is for to be honest.
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2009, 01:59:30 PM »

Don't do a "politician" on me Tigga. Answer the question. We would still be racists wouldn't we?

The politics things is a vehicle - it becomes yet another thing on which you can launch your attack?

The reality is - we are white - and you don't like white people. You have white Canadian friends so you tell us - but they are an exception. You cannot forget your history (which I understand) - but you also want to punsih this (and the next generation - and the next - and the next) for the foolishness of the whites of yesterday.

It suits you to do that - I do understand. All I am asking in a round about way is for to be honest.

I'm not white...yet he lumps me in the same boat as others who may or may not be white.

I ask for him to take the opportunity to engage in discussion and in return i get:

"Why did most of the few blks that posted on here leave - think about it."

It's back to race...again.  Unfortunately i don't see him being capable of anything else.  He has been programmed from the start of his life to be distrustful, hateful, and vile towards those that don't agree with him and his programming.  He has been molded to think that all white people have a racist agenda that he has to be mindful of lest they pull the wool over his eyes.  That to keep constant vigilants to the antics of the devious white people.  And it has blinded him so much that all that disagree with him are the white man in disguise...from "aunt/uncle toms to confused negros", even those that are his brothers and sisters feel the wrath if they are not in agreeance.  Again, it comes down to him being a product....a product of hate.  Whatever was done to him and his family over the years has created a persona that is devoid of any semblance of respect for differing opinion, even when confronted with the truth and the multitude of facts that are given.  It's fall back on "it was done in the past by others, the ubp did it back in the days, 10/20/30/40/50 years ago it was like this" not what it's like now...

I said in my previous post, that saying others did it is "...not an excuse for wrong doing."

"Why did most of the few blks that posted on here leave - think about it."

Okay i'll bite.  Where are they then?  And do you truly believe it's because of some racist agenda here that they supposedly left? really?  I know what your answer is and the sad part is you really believe it.  We don't have a poll to state who is and who isn't black/white/etc. so you don't actually know what you're talking about when you make this statement.  But from what i've seen even if you are black, if you aren't PLP then you're just as bad as the white man - think about it.

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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2009, 02:46:33 PM »

CC...

He may well have been conditioned to think as he does. But it would be wrong to leave it at that. There comes a point where he has to be responsible for his own thoughts and actions.

He has, therefore, made a conscious decision to settle for the view on life that he has.



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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2009, 03:38:06 PM »

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he reality is - we are white - and you don't like white people. You have white Canadian friends

c'mom fellas - either i'm racist or not - to be racist u dislike a race in spite of geography - how can i truly dislike whites yet have white friends from all over the world - i even have a very good white friend in south africa

the absurd thing is i don't know any of you - i know what u write here - and its racist and disgusting veiled in political discourse - that's what disgusts me

a woman in canada told me of a white friend who moved back to bda and became increasingly racists for every year that she was back - i just  think for some people deep down and in spite of themselves they can't deal w/ the reality of being white in bda
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2009, 03:58:11 PM »

And one other thing. Seeing as you spent time in Bermuda and got out and about. Would you in your wildest imagination ever consider tigga represents your average Bermudian?

Well... actually, yes.

Not average perhaps, but I certainly experienced the same type of thinking from many Bermudians.

I heard some of the most shocking comments from white Bermudians, (I guess my pale skin made them feel I'd be a sympathizer), but I certainly heard a lot of shockers from black Bermudians.  The distrust and near-surface hostility over nothing but skin colour was clearly visible.

Before anyone jumps down my throat for my sweeping generality here, I'll add the qualifier that I know personally other Bermudians who do not speak, or from what I observe, think this way.  But I would go so far as to say they are the minority in a place where racial bias is the norm.
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2009, 04:03:10 PM »

tigga,

The fact of the matter is that any white Bdian who dares to criticise this current administration, no matter on a blog, street, newscast, dinner table etc, will not be given the chance to have an intelligent debate about the issue being discussed.  You and yours will automatically revert to the usual rebuttal that if you are white and argue agains the PLP in any shape ofr form it is simply down to race.  That is your only argument.

Not once have you commented, under your numerous aliases on numerous sites, how you feel about Dr. Brown blatantly disregarding BDA's constitution which was established to protect our democratic valus and people as a whole.  No instead you and your mother rant and rave about the skin color of the majority of demonstrators or bloggers. 

I find it pretty scary that Dr. Brown would make such decisions without consulting his own Cabinet (who are all black by the way).  There is no such thing as a one man democracy and no one man is bigger then the people which he serves.  Dr. Brown has shown this time and time again.  And instead of rebutting these concerns you call people names and your mother tries to relate a democratic demonstration into a "lynch mob."  That is the type of shit that is furthering teh divide amongst BDA's peoples.  It is almost (and I believe you do) want to implement a segregated BDA again.

I will never forget a post you did over at CaF where you stated, "I will just sit back (in Toronto) and wait for the race war to start."  That is a sick comment coming from a sick person.  That is a disgusting comment.

Basically there is no chance of debate with you.  Well intelligent ones at least.  Because the moment someone expresses a concern of a this Government's actions you automatically label them as racists, uncle toms, kkkrakkas, biscuits etc etc.  This Government didn't create the divide but with actions and rhetoric such as yours, Dr. Brown's, Mr. Commissiong and Senator Dill are perpetuating it wider and wider.  They are supposed to be leaders (excluding yourself) of our community and set examples for the population to follow.  SO what do you expect the end result to be when these individuals spew hateful and race baiting language to the public on a weekly basis.

The end of the story is that any white Bdian that chooses to argue against ANY action of this Government will be considered nothing but a racist by individuals such as yourself and your mother and teh ability (which I know you retain) to discuss in an intelligent manmner no longer becomes an option.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2009, 04:05:37 PM »

Tigga...

That's about as banal as it gets..."I have white friends all over the world". The number of times black people shoot down the white guy when he says...."One of my best friends is black". Sheesh - give me strength!

Had it occurred to you, that there might just be differences between life in tiny old Bermuda with a Government playing the race card on an almost daily basis - to the point that young Bermudians are pissed off with it - as distinct from the vastness of Canada and a Government that is more balanced and mature in its outlook and dealings with people?

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2009, 04:56:20 PM »

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The fact of the matter is that any white Bdian who dares to criticise this current administration

but aren't u doing the same thing - every attack on this site is directed at the plp - and aside from sparxx and mike no one calls anyone on their bias

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that's such an old trick - taking a statement out of context - here's the genesis of bda's race problem,
from Dr. Keneth Robinson's book HERITAGE: "...in 1842 a scheme was hatched by whites in Bermuda to import labour from the UK for the purpose of bringing about racial parity and countering Black worker's demands for better wages. Against protest by Black Bermudians, The Bermuda government  passed legislation to provide subsistence money for these migrant white workers (from the UK and Portugal - rather than pay Black Bermudians fair wages)

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if only that were the case - this attitude was in effect even b4 the plp was in power - it has nothing to do w/. dr. brown - as i said - they said the same thing about blk leaders in 1909 as they have in 2009

ie. here's a quote from the white bda govt. in 1941 about blk bdan political activist, Walton George Brown: "Mr. Brown appears to occupy himself with...dubious business transactions and attempts to stir up racial distrust."

hmmm does that "accusation" sound familiar

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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2009, 05:04:03 PM »

Tigga...

One of the other things that happened in 1842 - August 10th to be precise, was:

"The Mines Act 1842 becomes law, prohibiting underground work for all women and boys under 10 years old in England".

I have an awful feeling that your reference to 1842 is only on Page 2 of your "How to Slap a Whitey" book - and that the book is 356 pages long.

Time to call it a day. Keep of the chems and smile  Tongue
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2009, 05:37:02 PM »

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this sentence is incorrect - did u mean Keep of off the chems and smile

oh i get it - like i abuse drugs which alter my thinking - funny  Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2009, 07:49:27 PM »

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this sentence is incorrect - did u mean Keep of off the chems and smile

oh i get it - like i abuse drugs which alter my thinking - funny  Smiley

I thought chems were supposed to make people smile?
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2009, 08:18:15 PM »

Congrats Tigga - you found my deliberate error.

(Remind me sometime to correct your English  Wink )
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2009, 01:11:39 AM »

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but aren't u doing the same thing - every attack on this site is directed at the plp - and aside from sparxx and mike no one calls anyone on their bias

Sigh, for once tigga may have a point. I didn't used to feel this way, but it seems more and more that members like smokinggun have become focused less on the issue and more on hating on the PLP or just plain arguing with tigga. I do admit that there is pretty much nothing the PLP do that i agree with, and most disgusts me. But i also like to have my views on the failures of the UBP heard as well. I'm all for a new party free from the taint of racial affiliation, a party that reflects the unclouded will of the people. Bermuda Jewel will receive my patronage.
Ironic that my avatar is a white person fighting a "tigga" and yet i'm more than that.
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2009, 07:24:25 AM »



You night have a point Calvin, but...

Maybe it is difficult 'not' to hate the PLP with its racial tendencies and rhetoric ?

Whilst continuing talk of 'returning to the plantation' may well keep the issue fresh and alive in the minds of some PLP voters, it also helps take the pressure of the Government to perform and to do the right thing by the electorate and for the country.

If you are constantly reminded that a vote for the UBP is a vote back to the plantation, how important are a few mistakes/errors of judgment and general balls-ups in comparison?

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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2009, 09:48:23 AM »

It's a double edged sword. Whites will defend to no end their stance and attack the PLP for promoting a hate agenda, and the PLP will use said hate agenda to further promote and advance the "conditioning of the people". If whites continue to beat their "I'm not a racist" drum, blacks will continue to have a hard time believing it simply because whites are doing nothing to prove it.

You can kick and scream, get pissed off and accuse tigga and every other pro-plp supporter of inciting, but in fact by doing so you are promoting such a negative reaction. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. It makes little sense arguing for arguing sake. We can only accept that there is a difference of opinion that is unlikely to change until whites decide that it's important enough to them.

Remember... blacks don't have to assimilate any longer. They're the ones who have all the power marbles. It's their game and they can go home any time they want.

In the words of someone famous...

"Actions speak louder than words."

Whites get angry, but at the end of the day that anger is seen by blacks as hatred and in reality... it is. There will come a time when we have to move past the rhetoric and actually engage blacks, face to face on their own grounds. That is the ONLY way forward.
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